A Blown Knee & Flat Tires-Another NY Pothole Year: 17-18 Knicks Season Thread
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storyteller
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Had a hell of a Saturday night and a rough Sunday, so no big breakdown for game 2 but some thoughts.
. Kanter doesn't provide any rim protection, so KP being pulled from the basket is already becoming damaging as guys like Ish Smith destroy us again.
. This isn't really a compliment but somehow Ron Baker >>> Sessions so far because Sessions is awful on defense and Baker tries.
. KP continues to look ready for the role, my biggest unanswered question now is whether or not he can keep it up for 82 games.
. McDermott's effort is there, sometimes the awareness isn't but the work ethic is still helping him impact games without a PG to set him up for baskets. Idk about his future with us, but I respect the effort.
. I said it his last stint and I'm still saying it, unless THJ figures out how to impact the game in areas other than scoring he's not gonna earn that contract. He was probably a bit overhyped to return to the Garden hence missing some easy ones like the dunk but it's glaring that dude was invisible except for when he was shooting.
. KOQ's working like a dude who doesn't wanna lose his spot. He's defending better than the other bigs, grabbing tough boards and does a bit of everything on offense. He could play himself into a nice return starting over Kanter and I don't think we'd suffer offensively. One of the two gotta go though, Willy needs minutes.
. I'll take losses like the Detroit game. The team worked hard and showed flashes of the defensive identity forming. They really struggled with physicality but that's pretty common for young teams and something that they'll have to deal with until they figure it out.
. Kanter doesn't provide any rim protection, so KP being pulled from the basket is already becoming damaging as guys like Ish Smith destroy us again.
. This isn't really a compliment but somehow Ron Baker >>> Sessions so far because Sessions is awful on defense and Baker tries.
. KP continues to look ready for the role, my biggest unanswered question now is whether or not he can keep it up for 82 games.
. McDermott's effort is there, sometimes the awareness isn't but the work ethic is still helping him impact games without a PG to set him up for baskets. Idk about his future with us, but I respect the effort.
. I said it his last stint and I'm still saying it, unless THJ figures out how to impact the game in areas other than scoring he's not gonna earn that contract. He was probably a bit overhyped to return to the Garden hence missing some easy ones like the dunk but it's glaring that dude was invisible except for when he was shooting.
. KOQ's working like a dude who doesn't wanna lose his spot. He's defending better than the other bigs, grabbing tough boards and does a bit of everything on offense. He could play himself into a nice return starting over Kanter and I don't think we'd suffer offensively. One of the two gotta go though, Willy needs minutes.
. I'll take losses like the Detroit game. The team worked hard and showed flashes of the defensive identity forming. They really struggled with physicality but that's pretty common for young teams and something that they'll have to deal with until they figure it out.
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@storyteller im not sure if i wanna see Porzingis keep this um for 82 games
Impressive start but he does this every year, then levels off
He does definitely look improved, and even more versatile offensively
But the mental toll from carrying a group of bums in your back, playing your hardest and still losing almost every game...
Sounds like a great recipe for an injury
Its basically a throw away year so i think Hornacek should be very careful. Id actually rest Porzingis and sit him out some games, take him out of games early when were gettin blown out
We get a top 5 pick to pair with Porzingis next year and hopefully Frank improves throughout this year, thats the plan. We dont need Porzingis breaking his leg or anything like that
Impressive start but he does this every year, then levels off
He does definitely look improved, and even more versatile offensively
But the mental toll from carrying a group of bums in your back, playing your hardest and still losing almost every game...
Sounds like a great recipe for an injury
Its basically a throw away year so i think Hornacek should be very careful. Id actually rest Porzingis and sit him out some games, take him out of games early when were gettin blown out
We get a top 5 pick to pair with Porzingis next year and hopefully Frank improves throughout this year, thats the plan. We dont need Porzingis breaking his leg or anything like that
I think it's this or something like it. There's no way it's basketball related. There's no need to showcase O'Quinn or even Kanter at this point. Everyone in the league knows what you're going to get from them.
It'd be nice if Frank could stay game ready often enough to even play. But even if he could, I'm not sure Hornacek has enough intellect to play him that way. He has a weird obsession with Ron Baker. Ron Baker had Ray Felton looking like Patrick Beverly the other night. Our Ray motherfukking Felton.
storyteller
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I don't mean we need to run him into ground, I just want him to keep up the quality of play or to put it another way, I expect us to be blown out enough this year that he can rest organically assuming Hornacek doesn't just leave him out there like game one. But rather than the raw stats, I just want KP to put up the efficiency numbers and keep the energy level whenever he's out there. The way he's been attacking and the diversity is key, if he can keep being aggressive whenever he's out there, that'll be the keeping it up in my mind.
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if somehow we can trade kancer away for bledsoe 
shyt if they can move ron baker or noah in that bytch
shyt if they can move ron baker or noah in that bytch
storyteller
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I don't see what we have that I'd be willing to give, matches contracts and would be enough for Bledsoe but he knows Hornacek's system and we need a PG. Might hurt our tank but I don't think too much and he's only got one more year after this one. Either way, I doubt they want what we've got though they did inquire on Kuz last year and KOQ would fit some needs.
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Gut feeling, Frank or Willy gets included in a trade for Bledsoe
Carolina Slim
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Gut feeling, Frank or Willy gets included in a trade for Bledsoe
I can actually see that; it's becoming more and more apparent that Frank was a Phil pick and that Jeff (and maybe others) may not have been on board with the pick.
The War Report
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Nah, Frank is not getting traded. We desperately need a startling caliber PG right now. I'm fine with Frank coming along slowly.Gut feeling, Frank or Willy gets included in a trade for Bledsoe
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Frank and Willy are not getting traded. 
I'm on board to get Bledsoe, I think a motivated Bledsoe is a top 10 PG in the league and he is in his prime. I think he's a good stop gap PG while Frank develops behind him. The Knicks are throwing out Ramon Sessions, Ron Baker, and Jarrett Jack out there, disgusting. I think we need a real NBA quality PG, also Bledsoe used to be a great defender on the Clippers.
I also like that if we trade for Bledsoe we'd be able to clear logjams at certain positions, there's a ton of guys on this team that could use a change of scenery or flat out need to get traded because they can't get minutes or are taking minutes from young players.
Enes Kanter and Kyle O'Quinn are taking Willy's minutes, Sessions and Jack are 30+ and are washed, Kuz isn't even playing after a great eurobasket run.
If we can wrap up this Bledsoe trade, the next order of business should be trading Lee to a playoff caliber team perhaps Charlotte since he had success there and Batum is out for significant time. Trading Lee opens up minutes for Dotson and minutes for Ntlikina off the ball, even McBuckets.
I'm on board to get Bledsoe, I think a motivated Bledsoe is a top 10 PG in the league and he is in his prime. I think he's a good stop gap PG while Frank develops behind him. The Knicks are throwing out Ramon Sessions, Ron Baker, and Jarrett Jack out there, disgusting. I think we need a real NBA quality PG, also Bledsoe used to be a great defender on the Clippers.
I also like that if we trade for Bledsoe we'd be able to clear logjams at certain positions, there's a ton of guys on this team that could use a change of scenery or flat out need to get traded because they can't get minutes or are taking minutes from young players.
Enes Kanter and Kyle O'Quinn are taking Willy's minutes, Sessions and Jack are 30+ and are washed, Kuz isn't even playing after a great eurobasket run.
If we can wrap up this Bledsoe trade, the next order of business should be trading Lee to a playoff caliber team perhaps Charlotte since he had success there and Batum is out for significant time. Trading Lee opens up minutes for Dotson and minutes for Ntlikina off the ball, even McBuckets.
I think Hornacek has a more uncertain future than Willy and Frank. Only reason he probably didn't get canned is because he's in his second season. I don't think he has any call in what players are staying and going.
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PLease please for the love of fukking God just do a proper rebuild
No Bledsoe
Nobody over age 26.
Please no
This cycle is going to keep happening as long as a proper rebuild is avoided
Stink it up, choose wisely. That’s it.
fukk trading Young pieces for Bledsoe
That man ain’t bringing us any closer to a ship. Cut it the fukk out.
No Bledsoe
Nobody over age 26.
Please no
This cycle is going to keep happening as long as a proper rebuild is avoided
Stink it up, choose wisely. That’s it.
fukk trading Young pieces for Bledsoe
That man ain’t bringing us any closer to a ship. Cut it the fukk out.
