A Blown Knee & Flat Tires-Another NY Pothole Year: 17-18 Knicks Season Thread

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A trade for Kemba works if the Knicks can retain Frank and Willy and get MKG back, those guys would equal a lot of damn depth in couple years time (if they pan out, which I'm sure they will), and we've seen how trading away young talent and depth has worked out before. So if a trade happens, I'd rather it be a 2020 lottery protected first at most. Kemba also has a team friendly contract and isn't due for an extension until after next season, which is when KP is also due an extension, so they will still have a small window to get better through free agency, and I'm sure most players would love to join up with these two. The Knicks could go into 2019, go after a guy like Paul George, and resign Kemba and KP to go over the Cap. A trade for Kemba could work out really well long term as long as the Knicks don't get spanked on the initial trade.
 

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This kemba for frank is a double edged sword. Yes kemba helps this team compete right away, but we’re only competing for a playoff spot 5-8 area, we’re not making any noise and losing an opportunity to get a high draft pick this yr, especially if that picks is thrown in the package.

And since you’re not winning shyt with kemba, in 4-5yrs when he slows down and is going downhill, Frank could be on the rise at the age of 23 and that’s not what I’m willing to risk, especially giving away draft picks.

If we want kemba, they can have anyone on the team not named KP, Frank If not, kick rocks. No more sacrificing our future for temporary fixes

Edit- i’ll be on board for a kemba trade, but at the end of the season, not half way, I don’t want no bullshyt 8th seed. I’ll gladly trade Frank and a protected 2019 or 2020 first rounder but not our 2018 first rounder.
 
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This kemba for frank is a double edged sword. Yes kemba helps this team compete right away, but we’re only competing for a playoff spot 5-8 area, we’re not making any noise and losing an opportunity to get a high draft pick this yr, especially if that picks is thrown in the package.

And since you’re not winning shyt with kemba, in 4-5yrs when he slows down and is going downhill, Frank could be on the rise at the age of 23 and that’s not what I’m willing to risk, especially giving away draft picks.

If we want kemba, they can have anyone on the team not named KP, Frank If not, kick rocks. No more sacrificing our future for temporary fixes

Edit- i’ll be on board for a kemba trade, but at the end of the season, not half way, I don’t want no bullshyt 8th seed. I’ll gladly trade Frank and a protected 2019 or 2020 first rounder but not our 2018 first rounder.
No way am I trading Frank, he's shown he can be at least an elite defender with good playmaking abilities in the future. I'm still high on Frank and nothing I've seen recently has changed my mind, his handles and finishing ability can come in time and he has a good shooting stroke, so I'm willing to wait it out and see with Frank. I'd say no to Willy too if they want the Knicks to eat a bad contract, just a lottery protected first and even then I'm iffy. Also, no way would I take back four years of Batum either, fukk that. If the Knicks can't win this trade clearly then I don't want no parts of it.
 

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How about just letting him play? I know Hornacek is trying to keep his job but what are they expecting to win with Jack/Baker backcourt and Lance/Doug playing big minutes :hubie:
I agree, but if they're not gonna play him now with the Knicks, send him down, but he has to play somewhere.
 

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Sounds like Frank is about to get the Willy Hernangomez method of development from this staff. I would love for at least one quote that mentions how Frank and Burke might be able to work on the court together (honestly they have complimentary skillsets across the board) but nah, probably just gonna be a lot of short nights for Frank.

LOS ANGELES - At least for one night, Trey Burke supplanted Frank Ntilikina in the rotation.

How coach Jeff Hornacek handles his latest logjam moving forward will be determined on a game-by-game basis. Or whether Ntilikina deserves to stay on the court.

Burke, the G-League call-up, closed Friday night's victory over the Jazz while scoring five points with two assists in the final 10 minutes. Ntilikina, meanwhile, was scoreless over five minutes for the entire night.

He hasn't scored in two straight games.

"We do have another option. So on a night Frank is not having a great night or something, we have Trey for that opportunity," Hornacek said. "Same with Jarrett (Jack). We have three guys for that spot. And we'll look at how it goes. Nobody is great every single night."

If this sounds hypocritical it's because just a day earlier Hornacek said he's prioritizing development over playoffs. And nobody requires more development more than the 19-year-old Ntilikina, the eighth overall pick in last year's draft who has disappeared in the first two games of this Western Conference road trip. Hornacek hinted Ntilikina may be having issues adjusting to the condensed travel schedule in the NBA.


"It's just a 19-year-old consistency problem that probably every 19-year-old has in this league," Hornacek said. "It's new stuff. We're traveling now. Earlier on we were home a lot. So that makes it easier on a young player."


While the Knicks have placed a lot of stock in Ntilikina, there are people in the organization pushing hard for Burke. The 25-year-old has a supporter in GM Scott Perry, who worked as an assistant coach at Burke's alma mater, the University of Michigan.

Perry also developed a relationship with Burke during the 2013 draft process while the assistant GM of the Magic. Orlando owned the second pick and chose Victor Oladipo, but also considered Burke, who fell to the Jazz at No. 9.

It was Perry who convinced Burke to sign with the Westchester Knicks of the G-League, which he parlayed into his current NBA contract for the remainder of the season.

"Scott Perry, that's my guy," said Burke, who said he turned down a $3 million offer from a team in China for his G-League opportunity. "He told me he was going to give me an opportunity to come (to Westchester) and start there, and if I do what I do, he'll give me an opportunity (with the Knicks).


"Now we're here, I just got to continue to get better."

Burke's performance Friday was impressive since he was only called up last week and hasn't had enough time to learn the offense.

"I'm getting there," he said. "There were a few times I'd go somewhere where I wasn't supposed to go. Because there were sets being called at me that you think you know but when you get out there and things are moving fast, I thought I was in the right spot but I wasn't."

But does Burke's progress mean less playing time for Ntilikina? At the very least, Hornacek made it seem that Burke's presence will make it less likely he'll allow the lottery rookie to play through his struggles.

"That's why we have options like Trey on nights Frank doesn't have it," he said.

What Trey Burke's emergence means for Knicks, Frank Ntilikina
 
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