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Welp, time for me to turn to the game.Dotson off the bench?!
A Blown Knee & Flat Tires-Another NY Pothole Year: 17-18 Knicks Season Thread
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Willy getting PT and its not a blow out 
Lol damn Hornachek tryin everything tonight
Lol damn Hornachek tryin everything tonight
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It's not just because of this game.nikka this is the best defensive team in the league.
relax
Miles Davis
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Clyde wasn’t having none of that train business
He gets gassed around December every season. I don’t know if there’s anything he can do to help with that, maybe moving to the 5 to save more energy. But I’m still kind of wary if he can be the number 1 option as well. I’m feeling like we needed a 1a and 1b for him.
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it's his first year as the #1 option....in his 3rd year. he's 22.
he JUST matched up against two of the best big men in the league and outplayed them and hit multiple clutch shots
either way ....if he was a "true #1" we aint winning shyt with the roster as constituted...we just need more high end talent that can only be had in the draft.
we ran into the best defensive team in the league and he played bad.
he's been slumping...but I cant pummel him. lot of season left and we're still missing another offensive player that would lighten the amount of pressure he faces on a nightly basis
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Moving him to the 5 ain’t gonna do shyt as long as he’s built that way.Clyde wasn’t having none of that train business
He gets gassed around December every season. I don’t know if there’s anything he can do to help with that, maybe moving to the 5 to save more energy. But I’m still kind of wary if he can be the number 1 option as well. I’m feeling like we needed a 1a and 1b for him.
Y’all can’t keep treating the 5 like it’s the NBA’s version of the DH
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My God, that game was barely watchable BEFORE Hornacek decided that Ramon Sessions and Jarrett Jack were the jumpstart this team needs. The Knicks had about as much enthusiasm playing as I have writing about that boring game. It was typical Spurs basketball. We hung with them early but their consistency wore the team out in spite of playing on extra rest. A handful of guys pulled their weight, the rest were flailing. KP is getting keyed on, no one is breaking down defenses and the team defense can't keep up with floor stretching units period. If you DVR'ed this game, delete it, watch Black Mirror instead and watch a Marvin Bagley highlight reel instead.
KP: Let me preface this by saying, I believe that KP gets whacked on the arms a lot when he pulls up. But I don't want my star player relying on foul calls when he takes contested jumpers all night. Hornacek isn't calling plays to get KP easy baskets and I'm not certain our PG's could pull it off anyway. With THJ gone, teams key on him and he his predisposition to take jumpers means he's got no reliable go to moves that don't rely on ref's whistles. He's better than that. He can attack and draw fouls but turn around jumpers aren't the answer. 5/19 for 13 points, 9 boards, 2 blocks and pumped 4 TO's in over 36 minutes...and I haven't even got on him for the way LMA owned him. I feel like that'd be overkill. He's young, he deserves leeway but this recent stretch has been too much one dimensional offense and screaming at refs. I don't want bad habits forming.
Lance: I recently said we've hit the stretch where teams ignore Lance, right on cue he had an offensive outting that reflects his wide open status. 13 pts, 2 asts, 2 boards on 5/7 from the field in 23 minutes...he honestly kept us in the game early as the Spurs focused on everyone not named Lance. That's fine though, if he's making defenses pay then so be it. He provided good man defense on Kawhi and early on he made plays. It's just that everything almost all his production came in the first half. Move a player a couple of steps closer to the guy and he's invisible again.
Kanter: 12 pts, 6 boards on 6/7 in 17 minutes for Kanter. Gasol and LMA gave him fits on the other end but he had a solid game. Those numbers though would look way better if he was our third big and not the starting center. If we can't keep him out there to keep producing then it's a problem and there are ways an opposing coach can force him off the floor...it's an unfortunate catch-22
Lee: 13 pts, 5 boards, 5 asts, 2 blks and a steal in 36 minutes...but he was 5/15 from the field, had 3 turnovers and just could not create or give us that boost to make the game truly competitive. Lee wasn't awful by any stretch, but he didn't have an extra gear when the team needed a calming bucket.
Jack: 13 pts, 5 asts, 4 boards and a pair of steals in 33 minutes. He was 30% from the field (3/10), team ball movement was lacking and I no longer feel the need to talk about his defense because if you've read one of these, you know what I have to say. I don't hate Jarrett Jack's game, but he's a bench PG that gives you a short spark and then you rush him back to the bench where he can't kill you on the other end.
Beasley: This dude showed up like no one else on the team did. 18,9 and 2 in 26 minutes on 7/13 from the field. Beas came to play, even dropping buckets over Kawhi Leonard's quality defense. After that brief encounter with hesitation for a game, Beasley has come back to quick trigger decision making that has managed to increase his efficiency. Dude is a sneaky good rebounder, when he's willing he's a good passer and as long as he's not zoning out on defense the amount of productivity he can give you is filthy.
Doug: 4 pts, 3 boards and 2 assists in 21 minutes for Doug. Dude hasn't been able to find his three ball with any consistency for a stretch and it's bleeding into his productivity everywhere. Can't sneak backdoor if the only offense you're threatening with is the dreaded lay-up. Garbage time dunks aren't gonna bail him out of the doghouse when he's posting pedestrian numbers and having forgettable impacts. He needs to find the three ball to open things up.
Frank: He actually had a bit of spark when he first got out there. Knocked down a jumper, took another confidently that barely missed and made a couple of nice passes. Then he had an ugly TO, got benched and just never looked the same. Hornacek blamed an illness and that makes some sense, Frank looked either fatigued or dazed...I really hope it was the fever. 3 pts, 2 boards and 1 assist in 16 minutes that included two bad TO's. The first was especially painful, he made a nice move got into the lane with space to gather and threw a cross court turnover instead. But again...I'm gonna blame the fever because after this game my fragile optimism needs something to hang on to.
KOQ: Got even less time than Frank, can I just blame fevers again? 2 pts, 6 boards, 2 asts, 2 blks and 2 steals over that stanza. He's the only player with a positive plus/minus that played significant minutes. He was 1/4 though and the entire team looked lackadaisical in the second half, so his minutes were cut to see if Noah and Willy would provide a spark.
Willy: On that note, we got 4 spirited minutes out of Willy. He had 1 point and 1 board, but made a couple of nice defensive plays before getting way overzealous and picking up a "Beasley must have smoked at halftime" foul on Gasol that ruined his feel good moment.
Noah: Actually, before the bit of excitement about Willy we got two minutes of vintage Noah...Vintage Knicks Noah I mean. He just missed a lay-up and did nothing else.
Dotson: Don't be fooled by the 3 minutes he played, that wasn't garbage time. He got enough time to nervously airball a three pointer in the first quarter before getting benched. Dotson had a post up from Kawhi where he gave up 2 points but defended well and that's about it. It feels damn near cruel to see the guy get what looks like the Baker role only to get benched after 3 minutes and watch Ramon Sessions take over in the second half.
Sessions: He didn't play bad but unlike Jarrett Jack, I do hate his game at this point. At peak, his game is the tofu of basketball foodie comparisons...bland, boring and I'd imagine Wally Szczerbiak would still somehow be enthusiastic about it. 9 mins 2 pts, 2 boards while I blanked out and pictured Dotson humming Simon and Garfunkel in a malaise because that was somehow more interesting.
Hornacek: Sessions and Jack are only the answer if we're vehemently tanking. Willy and Noah with a timeshare on 6 minutes of game time is frustrating for me let alone the players. Obviously I'm not happy that Dotson got fake hustle important minutes. KP continues to struggle and the adjustments haven't been effective. Honestly, the roster without THJ is pretty limited so there's room to give this guy a break...but Sessions and Jack were his 4th quarter attempt at a solution. As KP's development stagnates, young guys cede minutes to Sessions and Noah and the idea of tanking becomes more palatable...it's hard to be nice about this all.
KP: Let me preface this by saying, I believe that KP gets whacked on the arms a lot when he pulls up. But I don't want my star player relying on foul calls when he takes contested jumpers all night. Hornacek isn't calling plays to get KP easy baskets and I'm not certain our PG's could pull it off anyway. With THJ gone, teams key on him and he his predisposition to take jumpers means he's got no reliable go to moves that don't rely on ref's whistles. He's better than that. He can attack and draw fouls but turn around jumpers aren't the answer. 5/19 for 13 points, 9 boards, 2 blocks and pumped 4 TO's in over 36 minutes...and I haven't even got on him for the way LMA owned him. I feel like that'd be overkill. He's young, he deserves leeway but this recent stretch has been too much one dimensional offense and screaming at refs. I don't want bad habits forming.
Lance: I recently said we've hit the stretch where teams ignore Lance, right on cue he had an offensive outting that reflects his wide open status. 13 pts, 2 asts, 2 boards on 5/7 from the field in 23 minutes...he honestly kept us in the game early as the Spurs focused on everyone not named Lance. That's fine though, if he's making defenses pay then so be it. He provided good man defense on Kawhi and early on he made plays. It's just that everything almost all his production came in the first half. Move a player a couple of steps closer to the guy and he's invisible again.
Kanter: 12 pts, 6 boards on 6/7 in 17 minutes for Kanter. Gasol and LMA gave him fits on the other end but he had a solid game. Those numbers though would look way better if he was our third big and not the starting center. If we can't keep him out there to keep producing then it's a problem and there are ways an opposing coach can force him off the floor...it's an unfortunate catch-22
Lee: 13 pts, 5 boards, 5 asts, 2 blks and a steal in 36 minutes...but he was 5/15 from the field, had 3 turnovers and just could not create or give us that boost to make the game truly competitive. Lee wasn't awful by any stretch, but he didn't have an extra gear when the team needed a calming bucket.
Jack: 13 pts, 5 asts, 4 boards and a pair of steals in 33 minutes. He was 30% from the field (3/10), team ball movement was lacking and I no longer feel the need to talk about his defense because if you've read one of these, you know what I have to say. I don't hate Jarrett Jack's game, but he's a bench PG that gives you a short spark and then you rush him back to the bench where he can't kill you on the other end.
Beasley: This dude showed up like no one else on the team did. 18,9 and 2 in 26 minutes on 7/13 from the field. Beas came to play, even dropping buckets over Kawhi Leonard's quality defense. After that brief encounter with hesitation for a game, Beasley has come back to quick trigger decision making that has managed to increase his efficiency. Dude is a sneaky good rebounder, when he's willing he's a good passer and as long as he's not zoning out on defense the amount of productivity he can give you is filthy.
Doug: 4 pts, 3 boards and 2 assists in 21 minutes for Doug. Dude hasn't been able to find his three ball with any consistency for a stretch and it's bleeding into his productivity everywhere. Can't sneak backdoor if the only offense you're threatening with is the dreaded lay-up. Garbage time dunks aren't gonna bail him out of the doghouse when he's posting pedestrian numbers and having forgettable impacts. He needs to find the three ball to open things up.
Frank: He actually had a bit of spark when he first got out there. Knocked down a jumper, took another confidently that barely missed and made a couple of nice passes. Then he had an ugly TO, got benched and just never looked the same. Hornacek blamed an illness and that makes some sense, Frank looked either fatigued or dazed...I really hope it was the fever. 3 pts, 2 boards and 1 assist in 16 minutes that included two bad TO's. The first was especially painful, he made a nice move got into the lane with space to gather and threw a cross court turnover instead. But again...I'm gonna blame the fever because after this game my fragile optimism needs something to hang on to.
KOQ: Got even less time than Frank, can I just blame fevers again? 2 pts, 6 boards, 2 asts, 2 blks and 2 steals over that stanza. He's the only player with a positive plus/minus that played significant minutes. He was 1/4 though and the entire team looked lackadaisical in the second half, so his minutes were cut to see if Noah and Willy would provide a spark.
Willy: On that note, we got 4 spirited minutes out of Willy. He had 1 point and 1 board, but made a couple of nice defensive plays before getting way overzealous and picking up a "Beasley must have smoked at halftime" foul on Gasol that ruined his feel good moment.
Noah: Actually, before the bit of excitement about Willy we got two minutes of vintage Noah...Vintage Knicks Noah I mean. He just missed a lay-up and did nothing else.
Dotson: Don't be fooled by the 3 minutes he played, that wasn't garbage time. He got enough time to nervously airball a three pointer in the first quarter before getting benched. Dotson had a post up from Kawhi where he gave up 2 points but defended well and that's about it. It feels damn near cruel to see the guy get what looks like the Baker role only to get benched after 3 minutes and watch Ramon Sessions take over in the second half.
Sessions: He didn't play bad but unlike Jarrett Jack, I do hate his game at this point. At peak, his game is the tofu of basketball foodie comparisons...bland, boring and I'd imagine Wally Szczerbiak would still somehow be enthusiastic about it. 9 mins 2 pts, 2 boards while I blanked out and pictured Dotson humming Simon and Garfunkel in a malaise because that was somehow more interesting.
Hornacek: Sessions and Jack are only the answer if we're vehemently tanking. Willy and Noah with a timeshare on 6 minutes of game time is frustrating for me let alone the players. Obviously I'm not happy that Dotson got fake hustle important minutes. KP continues to struggle and the adjustments haven't been effective. Honestly, the roster without THJ is pretty limited so there's room to give this guy a break...but Sessions and Jack were his 4th quarter attempt at a solution. As KP's development stagnates, young guys cede minutes to Sessions and Noah and the idea of tanking becomes more palatable...it's hard to be nice about this all.
Miles Davis
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Yea, that sessions over Dotson move had me like
Hornacek seems like he don’t like to let younger players get time. I don’t know what it is.
Hornacek seems like he don’t like to let younger players get time. I don’t know what it is.
Ironman
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That old school mindstateYea, that sessions over Dotson move had me like
Hornacek seems like he don’t like to let younger players get time. I don’t know what it is.
If he continues doing this shyt we need Fizdale
