A Blown Knee & Flat Tires-Another NY Pothole Year: 17-18 Knicks Season Thread

[seemorecizzy]

Beat Boston last night but lose to the Pistons the next day brehs.

this season is over once we hit the road full time
1 road win all year against the cavs who were losing to everyone at the time
i dont count the nets game for obvious reasons
every other road lost has been by double digits, atleast this one was close

 

[King Static X]

this season is over once we hit the road full time
1 road win all year against the cavs who were losing to everyone at the time
i dont count the nets game for obvious reasons
every other road lost has been by double digits, atleast this one was close

Yeah, you summed it up.

 

[seemorecizzy]

True you did say they're more fun to watch but you also said team is not better off without Melo

I'm not a Melo hater and never have been, so I'm not emotional, I'm just being objective. He's shooting 40% in OKC and looks past it.

Now put him on Knicks team with no Kanter, where Melo doesn't want to play 4 and Porzingis doesn't want to play 5. You get a wonderful Jack, Lee, Melo, KP, Willy line up.

Spoiler

I'm mostly talking Melo because I don't want to discuss this game Baker substitution, Jack defense, KP 3, down 1 with last possession, rushing the shot and getting blocked, getting ball back down by 3 and having Lee force it again

never said that
i said this year's team is not much better den last year's team
last year's team won more games at this point with a harder schedule playing in a system that devalued every player
when fans get on their "we won tonight we better without melo" steez after every win acting like we didnt have the exact same amount of wins last year at this point i'm just
and yeah, courtney lee is a idiot

 

[Derek Lee]

i said this year's team is not much better den last year's team

Last year at Christmas time, Knicks had 16-13 (12th best) record with the 104.9 offensive rating (14th in the league), 108.0 defensive rating (25th) and a -3.1 net rating (20th). The team was never gonna sustain that type of winning record, because they were winning a bunch of close games in the clutch, getting blown out by superior teams numerous times and facing one of the easiest schedules to start the year. This year at the same time, Knicks have a 17-15 (17th best) record, 105.2 offensive rating (11th), 105.1 defensive rating (15th) and .1 overall net rating (15th). The epitome of an average team. The three point defense, the horrible struggles on the road and regression from older vets like Lee and Jack are worrisome, but it's a clearly better assembled team now that Phil Jackson got ousted and Rose and Melo are no longer in the picture to derail the team anymore. Ntilikina, Beasley, and McDermott give Hornacek a lot of flexibility to construct specific offensive/defensive lineups at the end of games.
Vujacic, Ndour, Plumlee, Jennings and Kuzminskas all played rotation minutes last year.

last year's team won more games at this point

Last year, 16-13. This year, 17-15. Wrong again.

with a harder schedule

NY had one of the bottom top 10 SOS at the December mark and finished with the 22nd "toughest" schedule overall. Only beat two .500+ teams up till December 25. This season, they've had the 15th ranked schedule and already beat three top Eastern Conference (Cleveland, Toronto and Boston.) Last season, NYK 14-35 against .500 or better teams. This season, 7-10 against .500 or better teams. Already half of the amount of wins up to this point

playing in a system that devalued every player

Triangle shaping up as Knicks’ plan again
Scapegoating the triangle is asinine. Knicks didn't completely transition to run triangle full time until they collapsed out of the playoff race at the end of February. It doesn't matter what offensive system you run, cuz Anthony's not gonna magically move well off the ball, become a facilitator and defer to others after years of being a number one option and developing bad habits on offense. He's gonna be the same fukking one dimensional player he was previously under Karl, d'Antoni and Woodson just like he is now in OKC as a third option. Rose had tunnel vision, well below average three point shooting and horrible defensive awareness in Chicago and Cleveland, too. You know before and after Phil Jackson was hired. Their horrible defense, thin depth, one way players and the random mesh of players on the roster that Phil brought all played bigger factors on the Knicks missing the playoffs again than the fukking triangle did.

when fans get on their "we won tonight we better without melo" steez after every win acting like we didnt have the exact same amount of wins last year at this point i'm just

Last year, Rose and Anthony led team felt fluky. Based on the eye test and numbers, it looks like Knicks can maintain their current playoff pace if they can win at a respectable level away from MSG. Knicks projected to be one of the top 5 bottom teams in the league look like a more cohesive unit without Carmelo and Thunder looking worse with PG and Russ is somewhat (completely maybe???) indictment of Melo's unwillingness to change his game in his 15th season. on one of the biggest challengers to the GSW (on-paper). Posters can throw all the numbers, common sense, facts, logic, video clips. witness accounts, X's and O's, etc and clowns like yourself will still be in denial to cape for your boy. Just throwing shyt at the wall and hoping it sticks doesn't work here, idiot[/QUOTE]

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Last year at Christmas time, Knicks had 16-13 (12th best) record with the 104.9 offensive rating (14th in the league), 108.0 defensive rating (25th) and a -3.1 net rating (20th). The team was never gonna sustain that type of winning record, because they were winning a bunch of close games in the clutch, getting blown out by superior teams numerous times and facing one of the easiest schedules to start the year. This year at the same time, Knicks have a 17-15 (17th best) record, 105.2 offensive rating (11th), 105.1 defensive rating (15th) and .1 overall net rating (15th). The epitome of an average team. The three point defense, the horrible struggles on the road and regression from older vets like Lee and Jack are worrisome, but it's a clearly better assembled team now that Phil Jackson got ousted and Rose and Melo are no longer in the picture to derail the team anymore. Ntilikina, Beasley, and McDermott give Hornacek a lot of flexibility to construct specific offensive/defensive lineups at the end of games.
Vujacic, Ndour, Plumlee, Jennings and Kuzminskas all played rotation minutes last year.



Last year, 16-13. This year, 17-15. Wrong again.




NY had one of the bottom top 10 SOS at the December mark and finished with the 22nd "toughest" schedule overall. Only beat two .500+ teams up till December 25. This season, they've had the 15th ranked schedule and already beat three top Eastern Conference (Cleveland, Toronto and Boston.) Last season, NYK 14-35 against .500 or better teams. This season, 7-10 against .500 or better teams. Already half of the amount of wins up to this point




Triangle shaping up as Knicks’ plan again
Scapegoating the triangle is asinine. Knicks didn't completely transition to run triangle full time until they collapsed out of the playoff race at the end of February. It doesn't matter what offensive system you run, cuz Anthony's not gonna magically move well off the ball, become a facilitator and defer to others after years of being a number one option and developing bad habits on offense. He's gonna be the same fukking one dimensional player he was previously under Karl, d'Antoni and Woodson just like he is now in OKC as a third option. Rose had tunnel vision, well below average three point shooting and horrible defensive awareness in Chicago and Cleveland, too. You know before and after Phil Jackson was hired. Their horrible defense, thin depth, one way players and the random mesh of players on the roster that Phil brought all played bigger factors on the Knicks missing the playoffs again than the fukking triangle did.



Last year, Rose and Anthony led team felt fluky. Based on the eye test and numbers, it looks like Knicks can maintain their current playoff pace if they can win at a respectable level away from MSG. Knicks projected to be one of the top 5 bottom teams in the league look like a more cohesive unit without Carmelo and Thunder looking worse with PG and Russ is somewhat (completely maybe???) indictment of Melo's unwillingness to change his game in his 15th season. on one of the biggest challengers to the GSW (on-paper). Posters can throw all the numbers, common sense, facts, logic, video clips. witness accounts, X's and O's, etc and clowns like yourself will still be in denial to cape for your boy. Just throwing shyt at the wall and hoping it sticks doesn't work here, idiot

[/QUOTE]

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Was out last night and listened to the 4th quarter on the radio in the whip. Why the fukk wasn't Frank playing in the 4th? It was obvious that Jack was getting burned out there.

 

[Shogun]

Was out last night and listened to the 4th quarter on the radio in the whip. Why the fukk wasn't Frank playing in the 4th? It was obvious that Jack was getting burned out there.

The starters got the bulk of the minutes across the board...Michael Jordan Beasley only got 13...
Maybe Horn was trying to spread out the minutes on a back-to-back?

 

[seemorecizzy]

Last year at Christmas time, Knicks had 16-13 (12th best) record with the 104.9 offensive rating (14th in the league), 108.0 defensive rating (25th) and a -3.1 net rating (20th). The team was never gonna sustain that type of winning record, because they were winning a bunch of close games in the clutch, getting blown out by superior teams numerous times and facing one of the easiest schedules to start the year. This year at the same time, Knicks have a 17-15 (17th best) record, 105.2 offensive rating (11th), 105.1 defensive rating (15th) and .1 overall net rating (15th). The epitome of an average team. The three point defense, the horrible struggles on the road and regression from older vets like Lee and Jack are worrisome, but it's a clearly better assembled team now that Phil Jackson got ousted and Rose and Melo are no longer in the picture to derail the team anymore. Ntilikina, Beasley, and McDermott give Hornacek a lot of flexibility to construct specific offensive/defensive lineups at the end of games.
Vujacic, Ndour, Plumlee, Jennings and Kuzminskas all played rotation minutes last year.



Last year, 16-13. This year, 17-15. Wrong again.




NY had one of the bottom top 10 SOS at the December mark and finished with the 22nd "toughest" schedule overall. Only beat two .500+ teams up till December 25. This season, they've had the 15th ranked schedule and already beat three top Eastern Conference (Cleveland, Toronto and Boston.) Last season, NYK 14-35 against .500 or better teams. This season, 7-10 against .500 or better teams. Already half of the amount of wins up to this point




Triangle shaping up as Knicks’ plan again
Scapegoating the triangle is asinine. Knicks didn't completely transition to run triangle full time until they collapsed out of the playoff race at the end of February. It doesn't matter what offensive system you run, cuz Anthony's not gonna magically move well off the ball, become a facilitator and defer to others after years of being a number one option and developing bad habits on offense. He's gonna be the same fukking one dimensional player he was previously under Karl, d'Antoni and Woodson just like he is now in OKC as a third option. Rose had tunnel vision, well below average three point shooting and horrible defensive awareness in Chicago and Cleveland, too. You know before and after Phil Jackson was hired. Their horrible defense, thin depth, one way players and the random mesh of players on the roster that Phil brought all played bigger factors on the Knicks missing the playoffs again than the fukking triangle did.

Last year, Rose and Anthony led team felt fluky. Based on the eye test and numbers, it looks like Knicks can maintain their current playoff pace if they can win at a respectable level away from MSG. Knicks projected to be one of the top 5 bottom teams in the league look like a more cohesive unit without Carmelo and Thunder looking worse with PG and Russ is somewhat (completely maybe???) indictment of Melo's unwillingness to change his game in his 15th season. on one of the biggest challengers to the GSW (on-paper). Pos
ters can throw all the numbers, common sense, facts, logic, video clips. witness accounts, X's and O's, etc and clowns like yourself will still be in denial to cape for your boy. Just throwing shyt at the wall and hoping it sticks doesn't work here, idiot[/QUOTE]

knicks last year have a better winning percentage than the knicks from this year,
we have one more wins because we played 3 more games lol
we also won 6 road games
and like you said, a 12th best record as opposed to 17th lol

it felt flukey to you cause you are a hater lol
go back into that thread, no one was calling it a fluke
everyone was happy. the turning point came when phil called melo a ball stopper and switched up the offensive
we went on a losing right after that


a lot of dumb shyt in your post but i willl focus on the bold
we will revisit this next month or so, and i will gladly be wrong if you are correct, with rep.
the truth of the matter is, the team is performing better den expected and fans are overeacting
playoff teams win on the road, and depending on jarret jack and courtney lee to win for us on the road speaks for it self
the team is on the right track but we still lack the talent.
i'm happy with the effort i'm seeing, and there a fun to watch because again, there was no expectations coming into the season and all the internal drama is over

again,i understand fans like that we are playing a different type of basket as opposed to last years style. but stop acting like we are winning at some type of new level that wasnt seen when melo was here lol

you don't even watch okc games, lol
if you do you will clearly see its all their faults
putting it all on one player is lazy and typical hater shyt

 

[GetInTheTruck]

On some real shyt I actually respect dudes like @Mr. Jack Napier for announcing their allegiances and moving on. @seemorecizzy maybe im wrong but it seems like you've been silently hating on the success this young squad has had so far this season, what's the real issue here breh? Comparing the records of this new team to the team last year with melo isn't helping your argument at all, it just bolsters the fact that melo isn't a superstar talent anymore that can carry a team to success.

 

[Bobby Lashleys eyebrows]

The offense is gonna look a tad bit more aggressive and exciting once THJ comes back. Is Baker a better 2 guard than Dotson though?

 

[Miles Davis]

Melo’s name will echo through the halls of knickstape forever cause people can’t let it go

 

[seemorecizzy]

On some real shyt I actually respect dudes like @Mr. Jack Napier for announcing their allegiances and moving on. @seemorecizzy maybe im wrong but it seems like you've been silently hating on the success this young squad has had so far this season, what's the real issue here breh? Comparing the records of this new team to the team last year with melo isn't helping your argument at all, it just bolsters the fact that melo isn't a superstar talent anymore that can carry a team to success.

im happy with the new team
very impressed, wasnt expecting much
a lot of yall think players are above criticism and i don't
and i'm also being realistic about how favorable our schedule has been

and again, for the last time lol i only bring up last year's record in comparision to this year's record to show that wins/losses wise, we are essential in the same place.

the way people talk, you would think we've had a 10 game turn around since melo left. its a false perception lol but its a easy perception

i don't know why people get upset when i bring it up. now if we go into january february and we still a few games above 500, den we can start saying those things

for the record, i didn't even bring it him. i never bring him up after a win or loss. its a bunch of weirdos in here then mention his name every time we go on a 6-0 run but are quiet when we lose games lol


just calling it how it is

 

[Bobby Lashleys eyebrows]

Melo’s name will echo through the halls of knickstape forever cause people can’t let it go

You always gonna have "those" type of fans. The genuine fans show him props, give love and move on. I respect ppl like @Mr. Jack Napier because they kept it real from jump. I have a friend that's a Kobe fan.

 

[ogc163]

That whole BS about Phil comments being the cause of the Knicks falling off has got to stop

The Knicks Are Bad Because They Were Never Actually Good