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A Blown Knee & Flat Tires-Another NY Pothole Year: 17-18 Knicks Season Thread
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that last minuet of the game took damn near 10 min smh
good game tho Knicks thanks for the L
good game tho Knicks thanks for the L
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That’s exactly how it is, we’re not good enough to make the playoffs but we’re not in full tank mode either. Team is to prideful to properly tank
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Just got back from my office Christmas party and am typed sauced....I see we got a w and KP dropped 30. fukk the Hawks.
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In the last two games, the Knicks have played down to the level of two of the worst teams in basketball. Splitting a back to back with the Bulls and Hawks on a plus-2 score differential is like barely beating William Hung in a karaoke competition, it's not any less embarrassing just because you won. The Knicks three point defense continues to erase entire quarters of good effort with 90 seconds of "who's man is that." But this season isn't about wins and losses to me, not matter how much the front office decides to talk that "winning is for the culture" jazz. The youth is what matters and KP had a bounce back game, Doug McDermott is showing value and the Frank/Baker killer combo might be onto something with its combination of physicality, defensive awareness and pure hustle. This team looks further from the playoffs than their record suggests, but the kids are improving and that's really all that matters.
Jack: While the youth is all that matters, the bounceback for Jarrett Jack deserves some praise. He was terrible against Chicago and looked to make it up to his team with one of his better performances all year. 19 pts, 4 asts, 3 boards on 7/11 from the field while drawing 7 FTAs. He also notched 3 TO's but we'll give the assist to turnover ratio a pass here. He was constantly looking to breakdown the defense and that helped open things up for guys like KP and McDermott to be rewarded on cuts. Defensively...I'm being nice to Jack for this game, we know what he is defensively, let's just give him the requisite "positives outweighed the defense" and move along.
KP: If KP takes more than one dribble to go into a post move, I cringe and wait for the double to smother him. But after being completely flustered by the Bulls, KP was a more decisive player in most situations last night. He didn't force nearly as much and more importantly, he showed up in the other aspects of the game. 30 pts, 8 boards, 2 asts, 2 stls, 3 blks and 9 out of 10 FT's...still not the MVPorzingis of earlier in the season though. He was 10/23 and 1/5 from three point land. While he was a menace on interior defense, he's good for leaving a stretch 4 open seemingly once per quarter. His rebounding in the first half was inspired before falling back to pedestrian in the second half (odd because he was the only big out there for chunks of it). All of that negativity is not to diminish this guy's impact; it's to say that we've seen him play levels above this in spite of the fact that he was far and away the best player out there.
McBuckets: Normally, I model these recaps by talking about the starters in terms of impact then move on to the bench unit in similar fashion. But Doug McDermott blew up the format by dropping 23 points on 13 attempts (9/13) and forcing his way into starter minutes with quality play. He was all scoring on this one, only tallying 3 boards and 0 assists in 31 minutes; but we needed the points. He continues to be as effective going to the basket off screens as he is shooting out to the three point line and that makes him a near impossible cover. Defensively he's not Lance Thomas, but far from Michael Beasley. There's also the added benefit that he can play the 4 against small ball line-ups like Atlanta put out there and cook. I won't wax too poetic off of two high level performances against cellar dwellers, but we've seen the same tools all year long. He might well be ready to emerge and has damn sure outplayed the other guys competing for THJ's minutes.
Kanter: Back to the starters, we get a guy who was forced off the court by small ball but honestly could use the break. Kanter was visibly laboring up and down the court. The announcers said he was on crutches after the Bulls game one night earlier. A couple of weeks ago he missed multiple games with back spasms. The guy plays really physical ball and it's starting to wear him down a bit. So 18 minutes, 8 pts, 5 boards, 1 ast, 1 stl, 1 TO...I'm not complaining at the display of heart and won't kill him when his already limited mobility was handicapped badly by a hip injury. I don't want to see Jeff playing guys who can't run the court without limping tbh. We have a plethora of Centers anyway and if we need Kanter just to beat the lowly Hawks, then we're not gonna instill a winning culture over 82 games anyway.
Lance: Lance had a very Lance Thomas like showing. 5 pts, 1 boards, 1 stl in 22 minutes where he had as many fouls as points. But he hustled, played hard defense and it's not like I completely hated him being out there. He wasn't particularly but there are clear limitations to his utility or fit with certain line-ups.
Lee: After logging big minutes with a respiratory infection that some him doubled over to finish games recently, I'm not surprised that his play has tailed off. 4 points, 2 boards in 22 minutes on 2 of 6 attempts. He doesn't look right out there and as much as I've applauded his leadership and aggression; if the guy needs a break than give it to him. Damyean Dotson is more than capable of putting those numbers up in that span and he could use the reps anyway; no need to burn guys out before new years.
Ron 'the Don' Baker: It's been a year since I could overexaggerate about my favorite "ceiling is a glue guy" player. Right in time for Christmas, we got our first vintage Ron Baker showing. 9 pts, 4 asts, a board and a couple of steals isn't impressive on paper but Baker is the guard version of Lance Thomas when it comes to intangible impacts. He's physical without being too foul prone, has great awareness on defense and combines those two gifts with knowledge that if he doesn't sprint through every motion he'll be waiver wire fodder. Offensively, he has a little bit of passing, a little bit of handles and we're still waiting for him to pick up his jumper from Wichita State. If his jumper becomes potent, it'll be enough to be useful on offense with good harrassing qualities on defense. He was an impact player on smarts and effort over everything else. Dude had the wherewithal to just keep feeding McDermott (aka the hot hand) in the second half...simple and effective way to not be worthless with a limited offensive skill set. Against second units the kid might be able to stick.
Frank: Not to be outdone by Ron's hustle, Frank matched the energy and showed his own defensive intellect plus that absurd wingspan all night. There was a steal in the fourth where I didn't even see Frank, just his hand poking out like a catcher's mitt as it plucked the pass away along the baseline. His shooting line was 2/7, still inefficient but it belies effective aggression that is making more and more appearances in his game. 8 pts, 3 rebs, 1 ast, 3 stls in 26 minutes. For someone who has struggled with TO's, he only notched 1 in this game in spite of the fact that he did make more effort to attack. He catches defenders laying off once or twice a game for pull-up jumpers behind the three point line. He scored his points in the fourth quarter when it mattered too. To wear out the cliche again, the game seems like it's slowing down for him. The low assists hide a couple of hockey assists including a nice PnR dish to KOQ who found Doug cutting and a fast break lay-up miss that Doug followed up for a dunk. He's doing a lot of good things right now.
KOQ: If it wasn't for the Hawks going small all night, Kyle might have been in for a big one. In just 15 minutes he logged 4 pts, 5 boards and 4 asts plus a block. He was tracking slashers really well, deterring guys from taking the shot and forcing kickouts. When his spidey senses are activated, he makes quick reads and passes for assists that supplement the guards. Albeit, he only got 15 minutes to show it but this was the type of KOQ we got spoiled with early on.
Beasley: 0-3 from the field, 1 pt, 2 boards and 1 assist in 10 minutes that he managed to foul out in. Can't look bad on defense if you force the coach to pull you off the floor whenever you get to that end...dude was almost a bit of Knicks trivia for fasted 6 fouls and when he wasn't fouling, he wasn't doing anything else worth noting.
Hornacek: Considering how much he's experimented and done odd things like that Willy/Kanter front court, you'd think the Frank/Baker combo would have gotten some burn by now. Ron's been hurt, Frank's been up and down but the two have consistently gotten after the ball on defense. The two complimented each other in a lot of ways in spite of neither kid being polished on offense. They just created havoc between their motion, effort and ability to see where a play is going rather than just where it's at right now. The real hats off is in trusting the two. Baker logged 31 minutes without the stat-line showing off his impact and Frank's 26 minutes were a bit more productive but Jarrett Jack could have come in a lot sooner in that fourth if Horny wanted to point at the stat sheet. The rest of his decisions were honestly no-brainers with the Hawks refusing to use a big man for chunks of game, so it was easy enough keeping Doug out there or letting KP abuse guys from the Center position. He gets a credit on this one, but the three point defense is something he needs to go back to drawing board on. Guys are open too often and the scheme seems to fall apart as players fatigue.
This ish is up on my Medium account too, if you enjoyed the read gimme a click and a clap on there fam (link in signature)
Jack: While the youth is all that matters, the bounceback for Jarrett Jack deserves some praise. He was terrible against Chicago and looked to make it up to his team with one of his better performances all year. 19 pts, 4 asts, 3 boards on 7/11 from the field while drawing 7 FTAs. He also notched 3 TO's but we'll give the assist to turnover ratio a pass here. He was constantly looking to breakdown the defense and that helped open things up for guys like KP and McDermott to be rewarded on cuts. Defensively...I'm being nice to Jack for this game, we know what he is defensively, let's just give him the requisite "positives outweighed the defense" and move along.
KP: If KP takes more than one dribble to go into a post move, I cringe and wait for the double to smother him. But after being completely flustered by the Bulls, KP was a more decisive player in most situations last night. He didn't force nearly as much and more importantly, he showed up in the other aspects of the game. 30 pts, 8 boards, 2 asts, 2 stls, 3 blks and 9 out of 10 FT's...still not the MVPorzingis of earlier in the season though. He was 10/23 and 1/5 from three point land. While he was a menace on interior defense, he's good for leaving a stretch 4 open seemingly once per quarter. His rebounding in the first half was inspired before falling back to pedestrian in the second half (odd because he was the only big out there for chunks of it). All of that negativity is not to diminish this guy's impact; it's to say that we've seen him play levels above this in spite of the fact that he was far and away the best player out there.
McBuckets: Normally, I model these recaps by talking about the starters in terms of impact then move on to the bench unit in similar fashion. But Doug McDermott blew up the format by dropping 23 points on 13 attempts (9/13) and forcing his way into starter minutes with quality play. He was all scoring on this one, only tallying 3 boards and 0 assists in 31 minutes; but we needed the points. He continues to be as effective going to the basket off screens as he is shooting out to the three point line and that makes him a near impossible cover. Defensively he's not Lance Thomas, but far from Michael Beasley. There's also the added benefit that he can play the 4 against small ball line-ups like Atlanta put out there and cook. I won't wax too poetic off of two high level performances against cellar dwellers, but we've seen the same tools all year long. He might well be ready to emerge and has damn sure outplayed the other guys competing for THJ's minutes.
Kanter: Back to the starters, we get a guy who was forced off the court by small ball but honestly could use the break. Kanter was visibly laboring up and down the court. The announcers said he was on crutches after the Bulls game one night earlier. A couple of weeks ago he missed multiple games with back spasms. The guy plays really physical ball and it's starting to wear him down a bit. So 18 minutes, 8 pts, 5 boards, 1 ast, 1 stl, 1 TO...I'm not complaining at the display of heart and won't kill him when his already limited mobility was handicapped badly by a hip injury. I don't want to see Jeff playing guys who can't run the court without limping tbh. We have a plethora of Centers anyway and if we need Kanter just to beat the lowly Hawks, then we're not gonna instill a winning culture over 82 games anyway.
Lance: Lance had a very Lance Thomas like showing. 5 pts, 1 boards, 1 stl in 22 minutes where he had as many fouls as points. But he hustled, played hard defense and it's not like I completely hated him being out there. He wasn't particularly but there are clear limitations to his utility or fit with certain line-ups.
Lee: After logging big minutes with a respiratory infection that some him doubled over to finish games recently, I'm not surprised that his play has tailed off. 4 points, 2 boards in 22 minutes on 2 of 6 attempts. He doesn't look right out there and as much as I've applauded his leadership and aggression; if the guy needs a break than give it to him. Damyean Dotson is more than capable of putting those numbers up in that span and he could use the reps anyway; no need to burn guys out before new years.
Ron 'the Don' Baker: It's been a year since I could overexaggerate about my favorite "ceiling is a glue guy" player. Right in time for Christmas, we got our first vintage Ron Baker showing. 9 pts, 4 asts, a board and a couple of steals isn't impressive on paper but Baker is the guard version of Lance Thomas when it comes to intangible impacts. He's physical without being too foul prone, has great awareness on defense and combines those two gifts with knowledge that if he doesn't sprint through every motion he'll be waiver wire fodder. Offensively, he has a little bit of passing, a little bit of handles and we're still waiting for him to pick up his jumper from Wichita State. If his jumper becomes potent, it'll be enough to be useful on offense with good harrassing qualities on defense. He was an impact player on smarts and effort over everything else. Dude had the wherewithal to just keep feeding McDermott (aka the hot hand) in the second half...simple and effective way to not be worthless with a limited offensive skill set. Against second units the kid might be able to stick.
Frank: Not to be outdone by Ron's hustle, Frank matched the energy and showed his own defensive intellect plus that absurd wingspan all night. There was a steal in the fourth where I didn't even see Frank, just his hand poking out like a catcher's mitt as it plucked the pass away along the baseline. His shooting line was 2/7, still inefficient but it belies effective aggression that is making more and more appearances in his game. 8 pts, 3 rebs, 1 ast, 3 stls in 26 minutes. For someone who has struggled with TO's, he only notched 1 in this game in spite of the fact that he did make more effort to attack. He catches defenders laying off once or twice a game for pull-up jumpers behind the three point line. He scored his points in the fourth quarter when it mattered too. To wear out the cliche again, the game seems like it's slowing down for him. The low assists hide a couple of hockey assists including a nice PnR dish to KOQ who found Doug cutting and a fast break lay-up miss that Doug followed up for a dunk. He's doing a lot of good things right now.
KOQ: If it wasn't for the Hawks going small all night, Kyle might have been in for a big one. In just 15 minutes he logged 4 pts, 5 boards and 4 asts plus a block. He was tracking slashers really well, deterring guys from taking the shot and forcing kickouts. When his spidey senses are activated, he makes quick reads and passes for assists that supplement the guards. Albeit, he only got 15 minutes to show it but this was the type of KOQ we got spoiled with early on.
Beasley: 0-3 from the field, 1 pt, 2 boards and 1 assist in 10 minutes that he managed to foul out in. Can't look bad on defense if you force the coach to pull you off the floor whenever you get to that end...dude was almost a bit of Knicks trivia for fasted 6 fouls and when he wasn't fouling, he wasn't doing anything else worth noting.
Hornacek: Considering how much he's experimented and done odd things like that Willy/Kanter front court, you'd think the Frank/Baker combo would have gotten some burn by now. Ron's been hurt, Frank's been up and down but the two have consistently gotten after the ball on defense. The two complimented each other in a lot of ways in spite of neither kid being polished on offense. They just created havoc between their motion, effort and ability to see where a play is going rather than just where it's at right now. The real hats off is in trusting the two. Baker logged 31 minutes without the stat-line showing off his impact and Frank's 26 minutes were a bit more productive but Jarrett Jack could have come in a lot sooner in that fourth if Horny wanted to point at the stat sheet. The rest of his decisions were honestly no-brainers with the Hawks refusing to use a big man for chunks of game, so it was easy enough keeping Doug out there or letting KP abuse guys from the Center position. He gets a credit on this one, but the three point defense is something he needs to go back to drawing board on. Guys are open too often and the scheme seems to fall apart as players fatigue.
This ish is up on my Medium account too, if you enjoyed the read gimme a click and a clap on there fam (link in signature)
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I'm posting up in this shytty ass thread cause the LWO run y'all shyt.
@DPresidential you asked for this and now
@DPresidential you asked for this and now
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I'm posting up in this shytty ass thread cause the LWO run y'all shyt.
@DPresidential you asked for this and now
Mikal Bridges would be a great addition, if yall would stop winning 
