9/28 PBC on FOX PPV: Errol Spence vs Shawn Porter (WBC/IBF Welterweight Title unification)

[mag357]

Preach.....dudes got the nerve to keep saying "Spence aint talented", "he not that skilled" " he has to fight better fighters to prove himself".....and I always ask, over the past 4 years, who would they have liked to see him fight that they would give him credit for? He been itching to get fights with porter,garcia,and Thurman since 2015 to "prove himself"......Size aint the reason errol has been dominating these dudes, its his skills.....he didn't overpower and bully Mikey Garcia with size......he beat his ass with skills. These dudes in here knocking Spence, and acting like Porter got a chance, but they wont bet on it tho. Porter aint NEVER looked like he was the best in the division, he aint NEVER outclassed or dominated any opponent. Granandos made Porter look like they were both on the same level. Imagine what Bud or Spence woudlve did to Granados.

You might be referring to me with ur post...
There ain't a person on the planet that would say Spence has no skills or isnt talented...
I'm saying he doesn't have all the talent and skill that others have, for people to be acting like muthafukaz cant beat him.
He isnt the slickest fighter.
And ur question about who should he have fought in the past 4yrs for us to give him credit...
I'm saying hes fought the guys that were put in front of him and he did what he was supposed to do... that's how it goes.
U dnt take credit away, but u definitely dont boost him way theee fukk up... (like people did with broner)

Theres levels to this shyt...
Hes done what's required to be considered a guy to watch... future p4p best.
But there's work to be done

 

[mag357]

i would say his counters are elite. he just suffers the same fate as a lot of counter-punch minded fighters which is that he doesnt throw often enough to win decisions against other elite fighters.

This is something I see alot too... but its fundamentally untrue...
The counter punchers who dont punch enough, are trying to mimic a fighter who can get away with doing that... somehow (mayweather)

But that's not the norm...
Ur not supposed to spend a whole fight waiting to counter punch.
U switch up....
But because Mayweather has been so effective with it... that's the style alot of boxers have gone with. And the make fight harder from not being active enough

 

[R=G]

Why ain't no one beat him yet? Canelo has lost at least 3x..Brook tried to get feisty and was forced to quit.

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

Can you tell me how Spence is gonna win or dominate the fight against porter...
Like what type of boxing is he gonna use to defeat him?

Bro I don't even wanna argue with you, you have the strangest perspective on boxing I have seen in some time. How about I just put my money where my mouth is. I bet $100 on Spence beating Porter, loser pays the other on cash app. Loser has one week from the end of the fight to pay up or else they will be permanently IP banned. Bet or no bet?

 

[DigitalDopeman]

I guess my perspective is different because ppl just run with narratives...
I'm glad u responded and we're having this conversation tho brother....

Do u know what eating a punch means?
That means u get hit and have no real reaction to it.
That's what having a chin means.
U can take a hit and not be in any danger.
Think about all the times Mayweather has been hit clean... shyt, there's been times he hasn't been hit clean and had bad reactions to it.
Think about judah, chop chop fights... he gets hit and gets STUNNED. Just cause u dnt get dropped, doesnt mean u have a chin.
May gets stunned very easily.
The fact that he battles back from being stunned is more impressive to me than alot of other shyt he does. Hes the best...

And andre ward

People like andre ward, I get it... hes a good guy. Hes won fights ..
Is he as slick and skilled as mayweather..
Is he as explosive, and dynamic as pac..
Has he fought the biggest names in the sport and been the most relevant figure for a long time in the game like oscar...

Nah, but u would think hes on par with them the way hes talked about.
I think it's just because hes nice and articulate, and he kinda fights "the right way"...

Dude has never impressed me...
Saying hes a super skilled fighter is like saying b-hop is a super skilled fighter...
He isnt, but that doesnt mean they arent going to beat who is put in front of them

The definitely can fight

And boxing is my sport...
You can go to any gym and find 2 guys that are more talented than ward... you know the types nikkaz with 100s of amateur fights... just skills out the ass.
But Ward would beat them...

bro....having a reaction to a hard shot doesn't mean that you don't have a chin....if you take a punch that would drop a lot of other fighters, but you stay up and continue to fight after getting stunned by the punch, then you have CHIN....just because a fighter has a chin doesn't mean punches don't stun him, go ask any fighter with a chin and they will definitely tell you they get stunned by punches, they just don't go down, Floyd has a solid chin.

and again I disagree, I aint the biggest ward fan, and no he isn't Mayweather or pac type of fighter, but andre ward is a skilled fighter, you don't make it to the top of the pound 4 pound without being one of the most skilled fighters.....your viewpoint on boxing is definitely different, so it aint no need to keep debating this topic here.....it is what it is

 

[DigitalDopeman]

You might be referring to me with ur post...
There ain't a person on the planet that would say Spence has no skills or isnt talented...
I'm saying he doesn't have all the talent and skill that others have, for people to be acting like muthafukaz cant beat him.
He isnt the slickest fighter.
And ur question about who should he have fought in the past 4yrs for us to give him credit...
I'm saying hes fought the guys that were put in front of him and he did what he was supposed to do... that's how it goes.
U dnt take credit away, but u definitely dont boost him way theee fukk up... (like people did with broner)

Theres levels to this shyt...
Hes done what's required to be considered a guy to watch... future p4p best.
But there's work to be done

1.i agree, he isn't the slick, but everybody don't have to have Mayweather or Pernell whitaker (rip) type of style...spence is highly skilled with his style

2. U cant compare spence hype to broners hype...Broner wasn't beating and hasn't beat any word class fighters or looked impressive since he first started on espn friay night fights n shxt . He was hyped because he was beating nobodies at 130 and his name was attached to Floyd for being flashy. Spences pedigree and hype is totallty different and justified. He went on like a 12 fight knockout streak and been dominant. People thought he would lose to Kell Brook in London, and many people had Brook rated as one of the most skilled Welters at the time,and Spence broke him down. His hype is justified unlike AB.

3. I agree, I love what I see from Spence, and even he will tell you there is more work to be done, he has even said that he wouldn't put himself at the top pound 4 pound right now. To me, he is the truth and will keep proving and improving,.

 

[Omar Little]

Why ain't no one beat him yet? Canelo has lost at least 3x..Brook tried to get feisty and was forced to quit.

My young Man.. Canelo has 1 L on his record

 

[DigitalDopeman]

My young Man.. Canelo has 1 L on his record

yea 1 L officially, which is all that matters...but arguably Erislandy Lara schooled him and shoudlve won hat fight, and Austin Trout arguably beat him too....

 

[mag357]

1.i agree, he isn't the slick, but everybody don't have to have Mayweather or Pernell whitaker (rip) type of style...spence is highly skilled with his style

2. U cant compare spence hype to broners hype...Broner wasn't beating and hasn't beat any word class fighters or looked impressive since he first started on espn friay night fights n shxt . He was hyped because he was beating nobodies at 130 and his name was attached to Floyd for being flashy. Spences pedigree and hype is totallty different and justified. He went on like a 12 fight knockout streak and been dominant. People thought he would lose to Kell Brook in London, and many people had Brook rated as one of the most skilled Welters at the time,and Spence broke him down. His hype is justified unlike AB.

3. I agree, I love what I see from Spence, and even he will tell you there is more work to be done, he has even said that he wouldn't put himself at the top pound 4 pound right now. To me, he is the truth and will keep proving and improving,.

Its funny, cause I seen spence and Crawford going back and 4th and they both were basically like "who have you fought"... lol.
This is why I'm telling people to slow down...
Brooks is a good fighter, yes... but really.... who has spence fought.
He beat people that was put in his path... that's all u can do.
I'm not saying boy is trash.
I just feel like I'm the only one whos saying, hopefully the tools that he already has in his tool box is enough to get him thru the next stages.

I'm alil salty how ppl shyttting on broner right now tho lol.
Like this nikka is a tomato can

 

[R=G]

My young Man.. Canelo has 1 L on his record

Yeah right...and Trump isnt running on a racist platform

Canelo's one loss record is as legitimate as Chavez Sr vs Whitaker

 

[mag357]

bro....having a reaction to a hard shot doesn't mean that you don't have a chin....if you take a punch that would drop a lot of other fighters, but you stay up and continue to fight after getting stunned by the punch, then you have CHIN....just because a fighter has a chin doesn't mean punches don't stun him, go ask any fighter with a chin and they will definitely tell you they get stunned by punches, they just don't go down, Floyd has a solid chin.

and again I disagree, I aint the biggest ward fan, and no he isn't Mayweather or pac type of fighter, but andre ward is a skilled fighter, you don't make it to the top of the pound 4 pound without being one of the most skilled fighters.....your viewpoint on boxing is definitely different, so it aint no need to keep debating this topic here.....it is what it is

Brother... when u get stunned that's changes a fight...
Having a bad reaction to shots that most fighters can take, is having a weak chin
U can have a strong chin and hard head and still get knocked out.
But when ur legs get weak, because of a clean shot, that's the definition of having a weak chin.
But that usually happens with really good defensive fighters...
Because they dont get hit much, they have bad reactions to clean shots.
U seen it wit Roy Jones.
For Example, who would u say has a stronger chin... Manny or floyd?
Manny has been knocked out b4, floyd hasnt?
Manny fights much bigger ppl and engages and gets hit alot more, never really gets wobbled.
I've seen floyd get wobbled, I believe in the Emmanuel agustus fight, zab, chop chop, pac, cotton, Shane fights. I might be missing 1.

And concerning ward... people love ward, so I'll never get any where. Lol
But let's just say he benefited from fighting in his weight.... because there are way more talented and skilled fighters in the welterweight division.
Hes like a Keith Thurman imo

 

[mag357]

Bro I don't even wanna argue with you, you have the strangest perspective on boxing I have seen in some time. How about I just put my money where my mouth is. I bet $100 on Spence beating Porter, loser pays the other on cash app. Loser has one week from the end of the fight to pay up or else they will be permanently IP banned. Bet or no bet?

Let me think about the bet... for a day..
Spence is the better fighter.
He should beat Porter.
But I dnt see what hes gonna do to beat porter.
Thats why I asked u what u think hes gonna do...

I'm betting at the casino.
Against odds...
Ur asking me to bet against a better fighter, straight up...
That's not a smart bet

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

Let me think about the bet... for a day..
Spence is the better fighter.
He should beat Porter.
But I dnt see what hes gonna do to beat porter.
Thats why I asked u what u think hes gonna do...

I'm betting at the casino.
Against odds...
Ur asking me to bet against a better fighter, straight up...
That's not a smart bet

Let Porter try that inside bully shyt against Spence and see what happens...

Porters style plays directly into every strength we know that Spence has. He has no advantages over Spence at any level. I have entertained the idea that Crawford could beat him, Canelo could beat him, maybe even Thurman could beat him, but Porter not the one to do it bruh.

 

[DigitalDopeman]

Its funny, cause I seen spence and Crawford going back and 4th and they both were basically like "who have you fought"... lol.
This is why I'm telling people to slow down...
Brooks is a good fighter, yes... but really.... who has spence fought.
He beat people that was put in his path... that's all u can do.
I'm not saying boy is trash.
I just feel like I'm the only one whos saying, hopefully the tools that he already has in his tool box is enough to get him thru the next stages.

I'm alil salty how ppl shyttting on broner right now tho lol.
Like this nikka is a tomato can

Broner aint a tomato can, and has all of the tangibles and ability to where he could've been a great fighter, broner is a mental midget tho, and that is the key to being great....mindstate!....when its time for broner to step up, he falls short every time.

and as far as spence goes...people keep asking who has he beat as if it makes a difference, because nobody in the welter weight division is gonna beat him that's why they all duckin with exception for Bud.....Spence has displayed the fact that he has the goods and skills every fight and like u said the man can only display those skills against the people in front.....people keep saying "who has he beat".....who was there for him to beat over the past 4 years other than the duckers, Garcia, porter and Thurman......When Spence beats the fvck out of Porter will that be enough for you, or will you still keep saying "who has he beat"

 

[desjardins]

Nah it works just fine, you banging on fighters for mandatory/title eliminators when they have to fight those fights to keep their belts/fight for a belt. And you also don't know history if you think fighters were going up against killers every fight out.

nikka READ

I'm talking about those bouts being televised and fans eating up trash bouts giving them views. The Bundu fight actually did crazy numbers. I literally said fighters in the past fought trash opponents but it wasn't televised