9/26 DAZN WBSS Season 2: Yuniel Dorticos vs Mairis Brieidis (CW Final - IBF CW Title)
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That ended up being a really good event, the main event really lived up to the hype, that was a quality fight. Shame Parker pulled out but the main event was off the hook, that was high level. PPV’ buys in U.K weren’t huge cause a lot of casual fans didn’t know Prograis or Taylor, don’t think it will be higher than 250 thousand but think the crowd was good. I think both Prograis and Taylor come out bigger stars after this, they’ve both shown on a good stage how good they both are. Prograis should get another big fight and Taylor should probably go and try be undisputed from here.
Taylor’s eye is completely fukked. That’s some intense damage, glad both seem to have come out ok from that. Was quality, still have an adrenaline rush from watching that, what boxing is all about. Will be interested to see what’s next for both.
Jose Ramirez is the best in the division. Been saying it for a while. Nobody believed me.
isnt because he's the one boxer you know and talk to?Jose Ramirez is the best in the division. Been saying it for a while. Nobody believed me.
Taylor-Prograis: Judging The Judges - Scorecard Analysis
By Jake Donovan
Published On Sun Oct 27, 2019, 09:36 AM EDT
Three rounds into the World Boxing Super Series junior welterweight final between Josh Taylor and Regis Prograis, it seemed for certain that the final scores would be all over the place.
While none of the judges were wider than three points apart, their round-by-round scoring suggested a winding road map.
Edingburg, Scotland’s Taylor (16-0, 12KOs) was awarded a well-earned majority decision over New Orleans, Louiana native Regis Prograis in their WBSS final and two-belt unification bout Saturday evening at The O2 in London, England. Benoit Roussel’s scorecard of 114-114 was overruled by scores of 115-113 by Mexico’s Alfredo Polanco and a-bit-too-wide 117-112 turned in by Italy’s Matthew Montella.
An alternate judge was assigned to all WBSS bouts in the event of a tiebreaker needed to avoid a draw. Germany’s Oliver Brien wasn’t required in the end, although his card of 116-112 would have still resulted in a win for Taylor.
Excluding the alternate card, the three official judges were in agreement on just five of the 12 rounds—those five rounds coming in succession in seeing eye to eye on rounds six, seven, eight, nine and 10. All three judges scored rounds six, seven, nine and 10 for Taylor, while awarding round eight in favor of Prograis, who by round 10 already needed a knockout to win the fight.
At the bare minimum, the visiting American needed to sweep the championship rounds to earn a draw and force a tiebreaker, which he seemed to do in finishing strong. It didn’t work out that way, with judge Montella scoring round 11 for Taylor, while judge Polanco somehow awarded Taylor round 12—which on his card avoided a draw.
Rousell was the only judge who failed to come up with a winner, yet was among the most consistent with his ringside peers. The veteran official agreed on eight of the 12 rounds with Montella and all but three rounds with Polanco.
Judges Rousell and Montella both scored rounds three, six, seven, nine and 10 for Taylor, and rounds two, eight and 12 for Prograis.
Just one round apart overall, judges Roussel and Polanco agreed that Taylor was the superior boxer in rounds five, six, seven, nine and 10, while Prograis won rounds one, four, eight and eleven on their respective cards.
Judges Montella and Polanco were just 1½ rounds apart (Montella scored one round even), yet their scorecards suggested they watched two separate fights.
The two agreed on just the five rounds that were scored in unison among all three officials. They disagreed on every frame until the 6th, and carried opposing viewpoints in the championship rounds.
Interestingly, the closest any of the judges came in agreement were in the two widest cards. Montella and alternate judge Brien disagreed on just rounds four and five, while seeing things the same way in the remaining 10 rounds. Their pairing doesn’t sit well, even if Brien’s 116-112 total and Polanco’s 115-113 card were among the most commonly shared viewpoints among fans and media scoring online in real time.
Despite the disparity in round-by-round scoring, the end result was well-received as well as the 12 rounds of action as Taylor and Prograis performed at the highest skill level befitting a unification match and tournament finale.
By Jake Donovan
Published On Sun Oct 27, 2019, 09:36 AM EDT
Three rounds into the World Boxing Super Series junior welterweight final between Josh Taylor and Regis Prograis, it seemed for certain that the final scores would be all over the place.
While none of the judges were wider than three points apart, their round-by-round scoring suggested a winding road map.
Edingburg, Scotland’s Taylor (16-0, 12KOs) was awarded a well-earned majority decision over New Orleans, Louiana native Regis Prograis in their WBSS final and two-belt unification bout Saturday evening at The O2 in London, England. Benoit Roussel’s scorecard of 114-114 was overruled by scores of 115-113 by Mexico’s Alfredo Polanco and a-bit-too-wide 117-112 turned in by Italy’s Matthew Montella.
An alternate judge was assigned to all WBSS bouts in the event of a tiebreaker needed to avoid a draw. Germany’s Oliver Brien wasn’t required in the end, although his card of 116-112 would have still resulted in a win for Taylor.
Excluding the alternate card, the three official judges were in agreement on just five of the 12 rounds—those five rounds coming in succession in seeing eye to eye on rounds six, seven, eight, nine and 10. All three judges scored rounds six, seven, nine and 10 for Taylor, while awarding round eight in favor of Prograis, who by round 10 already needed a knockout to win the fight.
At the bare minimum, the visiting American needed to sweep the championship rounds to earn a draw and force a tiebreaker, which he seemed to do in finishing strong. It didn’t work out that way, with judge Montella scoring round 11 for Taylor, while judge Polanco somehow awarded Taylor round 12—which on his card avoided a draw.
Rousell was the only judge who failed to come up with a winner, yet was among the most consistent with his ringside peers. The veteran official agreed on eight of the 12 rounds with Montella and all but three rounds with Polanco.
Judges Rousell and Montella both scored rounds three, six, seven, nine and 10 for Taylor, and rounds two, eight and 12 for Prograis.
Just one round apart overall, judges Roussel and Polanco agreed that Taylor was the superior boxer in rounds five, six, seven, nine and 10, while Prograis won rounds one, four, eight and eleven on their respective cards.
Judges Montella and Polanco were just 1½ rounds apart (Montella scored one round even), yet their scorecards suggested they watched two separate fights.
The two agreed on just the five rounds that were scored in unison among all three officials. They disagreed on every frame until the 6th, and carried opposing viewpoints in the championship rounds.
Interestingly, the closest any of the judges came in agreement were in the two widest cards. Montella and alternate judge Brien disagreed on just rounds four and five, while seeing things the same way in the remaining 10 rounds. Their pairing doesn’t sit well, even if Brien’s 116-112 total and Polanco’s 115-113 card were among the most commonly shared viewpoints among fans and media scoring online in real time.
Despite the disparity in round-by-round scoring, the end result was well-received as well as the 12 rounds of action as Taylor and Prograis performed at the highest skill level befitting a unification match and tournament finale.
isnt because he's the one boxer you know and talk to?
No it’s because he’s good. I don’t care if I know him or not. I’ve also called out his flaws in the past. Progais was supposed to be the man and I called it in another thread that he probably wouldn’t even win this tournament. Jose is a draw and Progais just lost a big pay day. The Coli hates on Jose and all he does is keep winning. I’ve met other boxers as well and none of them carry themselves like Jose. I’ve met Andy Ruiz. He fights in the area and deals with the same group of people Jose deals with and I never thought he’d be World Champion. Nothing about his fights or his work ethic was close to what Jose brings to the table. I’m sure one day Jose will lose, but it won’t be to Progais anytime soon. He squandered his chance at a big pay day by losing.
desjardins
Veteran
Good fight, thought Taylor won pretty comfortably
yea I came away thinking this too. Neither dude looked elite to me and I think Garcia would have an easy time with either one. Interested in Postol vs Ramirez now. Wish it wasn't months away
yea I came away thinking this too. Neither dude looked elite to me and I think Garcia would have an easy time with either one. Interested in Postol vs Ramirez now. Wish it wasn't months away
I thought Prograis was way sharper and better in the first 4 rounds than Taylor and was tagging him to the body. Then Taylor took over and won the next few rounds. The next round Prograis won was like the 8 or 9 and then he won the 11th and 12th to me. I thought Taylor had won his rounds bigger in the middle rounds than Prograis won his early rounds but it's still a 10-9 system so honestly I had Prograis winning the fight.
reservoirdogs
Superstar
How does he have an easy time with Taylor when he didn't have an easy time with Lipinets?
I think you're overrating the 140 version of Mikey a bit
It's also to be said that the ref was excellent in that fight. Maybe he could have done something about Taylor late punches but otherwise, that's the type of judge one wants for an entertaining fight. Too many judges do not let boxers properly fight on the inside and actually be physical. Dudes like Reiss or Willis are excellent in that regard.
reservoirdogs
Superstar
ref on Beterbiev vs Gvozdyk springs into mind as a recent example of a ref who didn't want to let them fight on the inside
He still roughed Gvozdyk up though
Lipinets is a tough fighter, world champion, but he still lost wide on the cards and was dropped by Mikey.
To me, it's not about overrating 140 Mikey, it's that none of the current champions have demonstrated that they're head and shoulders above their contemporaries. They're all on the same level, and frankly they don't look like their skills are going to translate well at higher weights either.
reservoirdogs
Superstar
Disagree with this, I think both Taylor and Prograis are world class and they looked like that too.
And how all of them are on a same level? Taylor and Prograis clearly separated themselves from anyone they fought except each other. Ramirez clearly separated himself from everyone he faced except Zepeda which was a close fight.
Not saying they are as good as Crawford but they are world class.
Do the 147ers separate themselves? Not really
Well I'm not exactly sure what 'world class' even truly entails in this case.
They make for entertaining bouts, tough competitors, but none of these guys look like A level talent. As you said, none of these guys are as good as a Crawford, and as I believe, I don't think they're as good as Mikey. Would these guys be able to beat Broner, Danny, or even Matthysse @ 140?
These are B fighters beating up on each other in close fights, I don't see them standing a chance against the aforementioned names. They're of the same ilk as Rios, Provodnikov, Algieri etc.
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