Usyk was fighting in the 12th like it was one of the earlier rounds,unbelievable stamina and endurance.
9/25 DAZN: Anthony Joshua vs Oleksandr Usyk (WBA/WBO/IBF Heavyweight Titles)
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Usyk was fighting in the 12th like it was one of the earlier rounds,unbelievable stamina and endurance.
chunky_mcdaniels
All Star
Lot of uneducated posts in this thread after Usyk won.
Most people don't know shyt about boxing.
I was one of the only people to pick Usyk for decision.
But that doesn't mean i'm going to say something stupid like Joshua didn't train for the fight, or does he spar.
He would have trained like crazy for it, probably more than ever.
He just met a very experienced pro/am who knew how to take away his advantages better than vice versa.
Most people don't know shyt about boxing.
I was one of the only people to pick Usyk for decision.
But that doesn't mean i'm going to say something stupid like Joshua didn't train for the fight, or does he spar.
He would have trained like crazy for it, probably more than ever.
He just met a very experienced pro/am who knew how to take away his advantages better than vice versa.
King
The black man is always targeted.
True Blue Moon
Superstar
Yeah, it's hard to watch a heavyweight champ be that stiff and befuddled. No poker face about how overwhelmed he is in some moments. I'm not an expert so I can't call it, but there's some seasoning he's not getting.He looks like all he does is lift weights in training camp.
When he steps in the ring it looks like he didn't spar one round.
He's all hesitant and unsure. Doesn't really assert himself or have a clear game plan. If the opponent is having success, he's confused and overwhelmed with what's happening.
It's like his trainer isn't giving him the right preparation at all. Might be time to move his training camps to the US.
malbaker86
Gators
I can get with this. It looked like it wore him out trying to get BACK into the fight the few middle rounds that he won and Usyk slowed a bit. By the 10th, he was cooked mentally and physically
chunky_mcdaniels
All Star
Joshua threw hundreds more punches than Usyk.
More than he's ever thrown in his career.
Joshua almost landed as many as Usyk.
They weren't pretty punches after rnd 6 but they still scored, just faded.
Usyk will always finish strong. His greatest attribute, even back to the amateur days.
To this day (in that voice) the disconnect between fans (even trainers and commentators) understanding judging vs what looks pretty is as big as the Atlantic and Pacific oceans put together.
It never looks right but scoring is scoring, thats the sport.
More than he's ever thrown in his career.
Joshua almost landed as many as Usyk.
They weren't pretty punches after rnd 6 but they still scored, just faded.
Usyk will always finish strong. His greatest attribute, even back to the amateur days.
To this day (in that voice) the disconnect between fans (even trainers and commentators) understanding judging vs what looks pretty is as big as the Atlantic and Pacific oceans put together.
It never looks right but scoring is scoring, thats the sport.
chunky_mcdaniels
All Star
Joshua threw hundreds more punches than Usyk.
More than he's ever thrown in his career.
Joshua almost landed as many as Usyk.
They weren't pretty punches after rnd 6 but they still scored, just faded.
Usyk will always finish strong. His greatest attribute, even back to the amateur days.
To this day (in that voice) the disconnect between fans (even trainers and commentators) understanding judging vs what looks pretty is as big as the Atlantic and Pacific oceans put together.
It never looks right but scoring is scoring, thats the sport.
More than he's ever thrown in his career.
Joshua almost landed as many as Usyk.
They weren't pretty punches after rnd 6 but they still scored, just faded.
Usyk will always finish strong. His greatest attribute, even back to the amateur days.
To this day (in that voice) the disconnect between fans (even trainers and commentators) understanding judging vs what looks pretty is as big as the Atlantic and Pacific oceans put together.
It never looks right but scoring is scoring, thats the sport.
chunky_mcdaniels
All Star
dbl post.
King
The black man is always targeted.
This is professional fighting, not amateur boxing.
Points take less credence than dominance. And that’s exactly what Usyk did. He dominated, he landed the power shots. He got Joshua’s knees buckling. He hurt him. He dominated. AND he outpointed him on every line in the compubox - so your whole fukking BS argument is out the window
Who gives a fukk if Joshua was peppering him with weak ass jabs that had almost no real effect on him? And yeah no he didn’t “hundreds more” punches than Usyk.
He threw about a hundred more shots and MISSED at close to double that of Usyk. He Usyk was at least 1.5x more accurate than Joshua. In every punch from jab to power shot USYK was more ACCURATE. AND LANDRD MORE PUNCHES, WITH OVER 100+ LESS PUNCHES THROWN.
If you wanna be a weirdo ass stat dude like those armchair analyst CACS, the compubox don’t lie
Usyk stuns Joshua to become heavyweight champ
Inside the fight: How Oleksandr Usyk beat Anthony Joshua, matches up with Tyson Fury
8:00 AM ET
Timothy Bradley
Oleksandr Usyk showed his greatness on Saturday night in the way he beat Anthony Joshua and won three heavyweight world titles.
Usyk knew Joshua was the bigger man, and understood that he had this aura about him; Joshua's a big heavyweight, and Usyk had only a few fights in the division after all of his success at cruiserweight. But all along in his heart, Usyk believed.
And then Usyk went out there, looked phenomenal and had the fight of his life. Now he's the heavyweight champion of the world. It's so impressive because it was exactly the fight that Usyk envisioned having. He put it out into the world that he wanted the fight with Joshua, envisioned how he would win and then he did it.
Usyk is in some rarefied air now. He's only the fifth southpaw in boxing history to hold a heavyweight world title, period. He's the second southpaw to win a heavyweight world title after moving up in weight. The first guy to do it was Michael Moore, who jumped up from light heavyweight and skipped cruiserweight altogether, and eventually upset Evander Holyfield. And Usyk is right there with Holyfield and David Haye, too, as the only undisputed cruiserweight champions to come up and win world titles at heavyweight. On top of all that, he has an Olympic gold medal.
Now he has three titles, and he's probably going to contend for the fourth down the line against the winner of Tyson Fury-Deontay Wilder 3. It's just a heck of an accomplishment.
So how did he do it?
Out of the gate what I saw was that Usyk immediately made a stand. He sent a message early: "Hey, I'm not going to run from you. I know you're the bigger man. I understand that, but I have my ways of making you hesitant."
I knew this fight was going to be tough because I remember seeing Joshua fight against Alexander Povetkin, and how gun-shy and timid he was. Usyk is an incredibly smart fighter, and he knew that he could make Joshua overthink -- and that's exactly what he did.
Usyk got on him early. He was fighting behind his jab, and they were battling for position, in terms of both of their jabs and who was able to connect. If you know anything about fighting a southpaw, it can be really difficult to get your jab going. Joshua was having trouble early on landing his jab, because Usyk took that away from him.
Joshua did a little bit better towards the back end when he was pressing on the gas, and he finally started to back Usyk up. There were moments when he got Usyk sitting still, and that's when Joshua was having success. But it just seemed like he didn't have a real game plan going into the fight, and just tried to put it together as the fight went on.
He was trying to stay safe on the outside and trying to line Usyk up for something big. By allowing Usyk to get to him, Joshua kept Usyk in range. With his size and his reach advantage, Joshua felt that he was going to be able to dictate a lot of the offense and a lot of the exchanges. That was ultimately his demise, because he needed to be aggressive rather than let Usyk dictate the pace of the fight.
What Joshua needed to do was test Usyk. He needed to let Usyk know right out the gate that this is the heavyweight division, not the cruiserweight division. Shooting shots down to the body viciously should have been where he started his game plan. Joshua shouldn't have waited until the second half of the fight to go in that direction. You have to put that money in the bag early on by going down to the body on this faster, busier guy, breaking him down to the body.
there's a rematch clause for Joshua, and money talks. I wouldn't mind seeing Joshua-Usyk again -- it was a really good fight, and frankly, it could be Joshua's last chance at a payday this big. But I just don't think Joshua can do enough to change the result. He was a beaten man after that fight, and Usyk, who was already confident coming into the first fight, is only going to be that much surer of himself the second time around.
Could things play out differently in a rematch? Sure. But I just didn't feel any real sense of urgency from Joshua at all. I just saw a guy that was just pretty much going through the motions for long stretches, and not really trying to win the damn fight.
The mindset of Joshua would have to change dramatically. Going into this fight, I said that Joshua has not been the same since his first defeat against Ruiz. Ruiz did something to him on that night. Ruiz took his mojo, his confidence away. Ruiz basically ruined his career. That knockout loss that he suffered has made an everlasting imprint in Joshua's mind, and he's just destroyed by that. He no longer believes that he's invincible.
Joshua needs to get his grit and his ability to bite down back. That can be especially difficult when you've made a lot of money in and out of boxing, because you have to get hungry again. We may never see that version of Joshua again, the guy who was mean and fearless inside the ring against Wladimir Klitschko.
At this point, I want to see Usyk against Tyson Fury, and I think that's the fight that a lot of people want to see now. But Fury has to get past Deontay Wilder first, and as one-sided as that second fight was, I'm eager to see what Wilder looks like with everything on the line. If Fury can pass that test, I hope we can get that heavyweight title unification fight.
Fury himself said that the one guy that he fears in the division is Usyk -- that's the only guy. He knows how well Usyk boxes. We all remember how Otto Wallin was able to give Fury fits, and he's a smaller southpaw, just like Usyk. I sent a text message out to all my colleagues and I told them that Fury is in trouble if he gets into the ring with Usyk. Mentally, he already knows how tough of a fight it would be. Yes, Fury can do a little bit of everything, but I also see some holes in Fury's game where a guy that's really technically sound like Usyk can take advantage of.
Usyk's a guy who's not going to get thrown off by any of Fury's antics, either in the leadup to the fight, or bell to bell. His feints and movements are set up best to work against an orthodox fighter, and get him on the periphery. That's going to be a lot more difficult against a southpaw, and especially so, because Fury has a bad habit of leaning to his right. Usyk has that big looping left hand that he can land at will, and that's the kind of punch that gave Fury that big gash over his eye when he fought Wallin. When Usyk strikes, he makes sure he's either going to land or, if he doesn't land, that he's in a safe position afterwards. It's tough to hit him with a clean punch even after he misses, and his defense is sound to the point where I think that's going to be a nightmare for Tyson Fury to deal with.
8:00 AM ET
Timothy Bradley
Oleksandr Usyk showed his greatness on Saturday night in the way he beat Anthony Joshua and won three heavyweight world titles.
Usyk knew Joshua was the bigger man, and understood that he had this aura about him; Joshua's a big heavyweight, and Usyk had only a few fights in the division after all of his success at cruiserweight. But all along in his heart, Usyk believed.
And then Usyk went out there, looked phenomenal and had the fight of his life. Now he's the heavyweight champion of the world. It's so impressive because it was exactly the fight that Usyk envisioned having. He put it out into the world that he wanted the fight with Joshua, envisioned how he would win and then he did it.
Usyk is in some rarefied air now. He's only the fifth southpaw in boxing history to hold a heavyweight world title, period. He's the second southpaw to win a heavyweight world title after moving up in weight. The first guy to do it was Michael Moore, who jumped up from light heavyweight and skipped cruiserweight altogether, and eventually upset Evander Holyfield. And Usyk is right there with Holyfield and David Haye, too, as the only undisputed cruiserweight champions to come up and win world titles at heavyweight. On top of all that, he has an Olympic gold medal.
Now he has three titles, and he's probably going to contend for the fourth down the line against the winner of Tyson Fury-Deontay Wilder 3. It's just a heck of an accomplishment.
So how did he do it?
Out of the gate what I saw was that Usyk immediately made a stand. He sent a message early: "Hey, I'm not going to run from you. I know you're the bigger man. I understand that, but I have my ways of making you hesitant."
I knew this fight was going to be tough because I remember seeing Joshua fight against Alexander Povetkin, and how gun-shy and timid he was. Usyk is an incredibly smart fighter, and he knew that he could make Joshua overthink -- and that's exactly what he did.
Usyk got on him early. He was fighting behind his jab, and they were battling for position, in terms of both of their jabs and who was able to connect. If you know anything about fighting a southpaw, it can be really difficult to get your jab going. Joshua was having trouble early on landing his jab, because Usyk took that away from him.
Joshua did a little bit better towards the back end when he was pressing on the gas, and he finally started to back Usyk up. There were moments when he got Usyk sitting still, and that's when Joshua was having success. But it just seemed like he didn't have a real game plan going into the fight, and just tried to put it together as the fight went on.
He was trying to stay safe on the outside and trying to line Usyk up for something big. By allowing Usyk to get to him, Joshua kept Usyk in range. With his size and his reach advantage, Joshua felt that he was going to be able to dictate a lot of the offense and a lot of the exchanges. That was ultimately his demise, because he needed to be aggressive rather than let Usyk dictate the pace of the fight.
What Joshua needed to do was test Usyk. He needed to let Usyk know right out the gate that this is the heavyweight division, not the cruiserweight division. Shooting shots down to the body viciously should have been where he started his game plan. Joshua shouldn't have waited until the second half of the fight to go in that direction. You have to put that money in the bag early on by going down to the body on this faster, busier guy, breaking him down to the body.
there's a rematch clause for Joshua, and money talks. I wouldn't mind seeing Joshua-Usyk again -- it was a really good fight, and frankly, it could be Joshua's last chance at a payday this big. But I just don't think Joshua can do enough to change the result. He was a beaten man after that fight, and Usyk, who was already confident coming into the first fight, is only going to be that much surer of himself the second time around.
Could things play out differently in a rematch? Sure. But I just didn't feel any real sense of urgency from Joshua at all. I just saw a guy that was just pretty much going through the motions for long stretches, and not really trying to win the damn fight.
The mindset of Joshua would have to change dramatically. Going into this fight, I said that Joshua has not been the same since his first defeat against Ruiz. Ruiz did something to him on that night. Ruiz took his mojo, his confidence away. Ruiz basically ruined his career. That knockout loss that he suffered has made an everlasting imprint in Joshua's mind, and he's just destroyed by that. He no longer believes that he's invincible.
Joshua needs to get his grit and his ability to bite down back. That can be especially difficult when you've made a lot of money in and out of boxing, because you have to get hungry again. We may never see that version of Joshua again, the guy who was mean and fearless inside the ring against Wladimir Klitschko.
At this point, I want to see Usyk against Tyson Fury, and I think that's the fight that a lot of people want to see now. But Fury has to get past Deontay Wilder first, and as one-sided as that second fight was, I'm eager to see what Wilder looks like with everything on the line. If Fury can pass that test, I hope we can get that heavyweight title unification fight.
Fury himself said that the one guy that he fears in the division is Usyk -- that's the only guy. He knows how well Usyk boxes. We all remember how Otto Wallin was able to give Fury fits, and he's a smaller southpaw, just like Usyk. I sent a text message out to all my colleagues and I told them that Fury is in trouble if he gets into the ring with Usyk. Mentally, he already knows how tough of a fight it would be. Yes, Fury can do a little bit of everything, but I also see some holes in Fury's game where a guy that's really technically sound like Usyk can take advantage of.
Usyk's a guy who's not going to get thrown off by any of Fury's antics, either in the leadup to the fight, or bell to bell. His feints and movements are set up best to work against an orthodox fighter, and get him on the periphery. That's going to be a lot more difficult against a southpaw, and especially so, because Fury has a bad habit of leaning to his right. Usyk has that big looping left hand that he can land at will, and that's the kind of punch that gave Fury that big gash over his eye when he fought Wallin. When Usyk strikes, he makes sure he's either going to land or, if he doesn't land, that he's in a safe position afterwards. It's tough to hit him with a clean punch even after he misses, and his defense is sound to the point where I think that's going to be a nightmare for Tyson Fury to deal with.
Un-AmericanDreamer
Simp City
AJ is a good boxer, but he's always been a better puncher imo. Usyk is a great, better boxer. The AJ that fought Klitchko could have won.
Un-AmericanDreamer
Simp City
Props to Usyk tho. He truly is a goat.
King
The black man is always targeted.
So he didn’t fight Luis Ortiz twice?Wilder has never faced anyone like Usyk tho, it’s all good being a guy with one big punch but boxers like Usyk and Fury will make you miss all nite
Y’all mfers love to rewrite history.
chunky_mcdaniels
All Star
You just still mad because i embarrassed you for asking us for boxing tips in a thread a while back. Everybody knows you full of shyt, you sit on the internet all day.This is professional fighting, not amateur boxing.
Points take less credence than dominance. And that’s exactly what Usyk did. He dominated, he landed the power shots. He got Joshua’s knees buckling. He hurt him. He dominated. AND he outpointed him on every line in the compubox - so your whole fukking BS argument is out the window
Who gives a fukk if Joshua was peppering him with weak ass jabs that had almost no real effect on him? And yeah no he didn’t “hundreds more” punches than Usyk.
He threw about a hundred more shots and MISSED at close to double that of Usyk. He Usyk was at least 1.5x more accurate than Joshua. In every punch from jab to power shot USYK was more ACCURATE. AND LANDRD MORE PUNCHES, WITH OVER 100+ LESS PUNCHES THROWN.
If you wanna be a weirdo ass stat dude like those armchair analyst CACS, the compubox don’t lie
Usyk stuns Joshua to become heavyweight champ
Remember? When you were asking us about tips for going to training?
You ever end up actually going to a gym?
I picked Usyk to win via decision. It's up there. It's in the poll. I was one of three people.
I was discussing how judging works and how there's a disconnect between understanding.
I'm not for one second saying that Joshua won.
Don't ever talk to me about something you have no understanding of.
FreedMind
DOPAMINE FOR MY BABY!!
So he didn’t fight Luis Ortiz twice?
Y’all mfers love to rewrite history.
Ortiz has never been world champion.
iceberg_is_on_fire
Wearing Lions gear when it wasn't cool
So he didn’t fight Luis Ortiz twice?
Y’all mfers love to rewrite history.
Both times, he was clearly losing the fight before he caught Ortiz.
That said, I know Usyk has the skills to win going away. I don't know if he has the body to do it.
You can't out dance the dancer. I would suggest coming in a little heavier and decreasing the range. Usyk has movement for days and uses alot of feints. Why not get in close and lean on him and make him carry your weight for the fight. Throw 1-2 combos, hold and lean on him. It might not look entertaining but atleast you will be using your advantages to nullify his style and wear him out. If done right he would be open for punishment in the second half.