8/21 PBC on FOX PPV: Really didn't expect this: Manny Pacquiao vs Yordenis Ugas (Spence OUT)

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What does his age have to do with anything? He's a world champion that lost to a guy on 11 day notice.
the way he got the belt matters. he's 42 and wasnt nearly as fast and mobile as he was 2 years ago when he previously fought - and that was a split decision over a washed up, relatively inactive fighter who looked bad in his comback fight. and a couple fights before that, he took an L against jeff horn. the writing was on the wall that any knowledgeable boxing fan who wasnt a brainwashed pacman fanatic knew he had to be judged by each fight to see if father time was winning because he was on borrowed time. his style is based on his athleticism, so if he cant move, he cant beat the best anymore. he is looking closer to roy jones after coming down from heavyweight.
 

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:mjlol: @ Manny retiring
He owe way too many taxes and need to fund all his political endeavors and support fiftyleven entourage members
Dude either going be on the pbc retirement plan like ghost or berto or if he’s smart he’ll copy mayweather and try to do circus fights going forward
 

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the way he got the belt matters. he's 42 and wasnt nearly as fast and mobile as he was 2 years ago when he previously fought - and that was a split decision over a washed up, relatively inactive fighter who looked bad in his comback fight. and a couple fights before that, he took an L against jeff horn. the writing was on the wall that any knowledgeable boxing fan who wasnt a brainwashed pacman fanatic knew he had to be judged by each fight to see if father time was winning because he was on borrowed time. his style is based on his athleticism, so if he cant move, he cant beat the best anymore. he is looking closer to roy jones after coming down from heavyweight.

11 day notice....with one week dedicated to "fight week". Nobody before Saturday was treating this like a swan song. Only afterwards are people cushioning the blow for him.
 

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Bro he's a 42 year old that just got beat the hell up. Exactly what are you looking for here?

What does his age have to do with this? It's wild how nuance finds its way into the conversation for some and not others. Can't go from respected people in boxing insinuating that Spence was ducking, to this being a "feeble 42 year old....what do you expect"? Did Bernard get ridiculed or not when he got knocked thru the ropes and said he twisted his ankle? Roy stays getting ridiculed for holding on too long. Yet, when a cat that took the fight on 11 days notice beats Manny, nobody in mainstream media is ridiculing him. I just wondered why?
 

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11 day notice....with one week dedicated to "fight week". Nobody before Saturday was treating this like a swan song. Only afterwards are people cushioning the blow for him.
i never said he was getting a swan song treatment. i said rational boxing fans kept evaluating him with each fight because he was old and compromised. there were pac stans and PBC haters who gassed manny up no matter what, but normal people had spence as the betting favorite, then ugas as the underdog. spence was the favorite because rational people felt manny was getting old. ugas was the underdog because he couldnt beat porter and had no history of beating any WW elites.

that's it, breh. this is not that complicated. when you are 42 and an ATG, you have a lot of room to descend and still be good, but depending on your style of fighting, you can age gracefully and you can fall hard. manny landed somewhere in the middle - he is still good enough to be competitive, but he cant rise above the best anymore at this weight. this fight is final confirmation of that. the coverage of him is reasonable considering everything i have just typed.
 
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The more and more you speak this nonsensical jargon, the more I realize that not only do you know nothing of the sweet science but also that your ignorance and stupidity are probably hereditary smdh.
Derrick James - YouTube

so you know more about boxing than Derrick James

it's known fact manny cannot fight going backwards

It's a known fact Manny cannot cut off the ring, these are not opinions

You attacking me but the points made, first sign of a bytch made natural born loser coward, you're the fan of men not the sport, you can't talk intelligently about boxing because you don't know anything about which is why you can't refute anything I said

All you do is respond with childish insults like everybody else, because you're a lonely ass nikka who don't interact or articulate opinions get mad when somebody more intelligently than you makes a point

Manny has always struggled with Technical Boxers, so it's no surprise he get beat up by a technical boxer who has a way longer reach than him, it's not the first time he's ever been matched up with a technical boxer who had a large size advantage over him

you're a fukking clwon
 
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I never said one counter punch is an adjustment. I said his approach to countering the counter was the adjustment. You obviously don't know boxing if you continue to belief that dumb ass statement you made.[/QUOTE

That's not adjustment, there's only one way to counter punch and that's too time, you have no clue what you are talking about

that's not adjusting, timing a counter is what your suppose to do in order to land a counter punch, DUMB AS

starting the fight boxing from the outside, then deciding to fight on the inside IS AN ADJUSTMENT

Like Andre Ward did against Kovalev in the first fight

you cant admit you're wrong and double down saying nonsensical shyt nobody says ever anywhere boxing is discussed seriously

Ward sticking his head Kovalev chest and bullying him on the inside to smothering his punches so he can't land his big right hand after being knocked down is an adjustment

Manny can't make these type adjustments because his arsenal is severely limited

all he can do is that dart in dart out and shyt, and it works for him because he usually has the power to hurt his opponent only reason he wasn't out boxed by Keith Thurman was because he was able to hurt him

He can't hurt Ugas, Ugas can take his punches, and he smarter boxer, and he's bigger, that's why both of his eyes are shut close and he can't see right now, and has to be fed by his wife

It's levels to this boxing shyt, Manny Pacquaio still great but he's not a master boxer and never has been
 
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They do because Roach is known to be an offensive minded coach. Floyd Sr was a defensive minded coach. But that doesn't make them one dimensional trainers nor their fighters one dimensional. If it looks like Pacquiao is just doing one thing in the ring then there's ALOT you're not seeing that I could show you.

See what is we're not seeing

You should be easy for you pouting

get his dikk out your mouth shyt is disgusting put fukking poms poms down and talk like a fukking man

you been sounding like a straight up bytch crying and moaning, because you can't talk boxing

Manny Pacquaio relied on his speed and athleticism his whole fukking career, he's not a technical southpaw or gifted boxer, just like Derrick James pointed out

If Pacquaio could fight off back foot why did not throw more punches against mayweather, he can't fight going backwards
Pacquaio had his lowest punch out put against mayweather, when he normal throw like 800 punches

If Pacquaio can get the ring off, he would've KO'd Chris Algeri who did not but run around the around the ring until the end of the fight

Spence got him out in 4 because he can cut the ring off, you can't run from that nikka
 

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:mjlol: @ Manny retiring
He owe way too many taxes and need to fund all his political endeavors and support fiftyleven entourage members
Dude either going be on the pbc retirement plan like ghost or berto or if he’s smart he’ll copy mayweather and try to do circus fights going forward

He's been tried to do that, hopefully he gets the same smoke/unwarranted ridicule too once successful.
 
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