76ers want new arena in Center City, Philadelphia

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Yeah. The Gallery. Meeting Point for damn near everyone as a hang out spot, up to mid 2000s

For the last time, just keep that ish where it is. Everything they say they want/it will bring is already down there at the Sports Complex. You have restaurants, casinos, hotels, developments, bars, entertainment hubs, the rest of the stadiums/arenas, and most importantly, way more space and parking. But best part is you don't have to go to or through that area unless you are going there.

Nikkas gonna be mad when they end up in NJ

Philly just ain't a progressive city...ppl were mad at skyscrapers being taller than William Penn in the 80s

Not having an arena downtown is a damn travesty

It's cool go the Eagles to be in SP but the Phillies should be on Broad & Speing Garden now and the Sixers should be on 11th & Market

And for the record, 11th & Market is not Chinatown :unimpressed:
 

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Peace to Pennsylvania tho.

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I got on that new training camp big one pittsburh piate fitted hats today.


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I mean how far would it be from the sports complex now? Both are literally right over the Walt Whitman.
Regardless I think it’s a bad look for Philly letting it get to this…
 

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Nikkas gonna be mad when they end up in NJ

Philly just ain't a progressive city...ppl were mad at skyscrapers being taller than William Penn in the 80s

Not having an arena downtown is a damn travesty

It's cool go the Eagles to be in SP but the Phillies should be on Broad & Speing Garden now and the Sixers should be on 11th & Market

And for the record, 11th & Market is not Chinatown :unimpressed:

Skyscrapers being taller than William Penn was historically a superstition thing. Penn "overlooks the city" and people were superstition about there being parts that he didn't overlook.

There's no reason for it to be downtown. What's wrong with having all of the arenas in one place? How many other cities have that? 1 and that's because the 2 sports share the location? It's a rarity. It's in the perfect location for what it serves. Why not move the Eagles downtown or the Phillies or Flyers? What's the difference? You aren't going to the arena area unless you want to go there. Everything people want around arenas are already there. And there's nothing but empty space around there. No matter how you slice it, an arena there displaces some of the pre-existing business, whereas it goes into a lot with empty space and creates more business.

AND there's no such thing as center city taxes. Taxes for Philly are the same no matter the location. The revenue from building it in the P are the same as the built it downtown. The jobs, the taxes it brings are the same. Basically, there's no benefit for it being in center city...only to match what other cities do...and so many negatives. There's plenty of things they can use the Gallery for, and I agree it needs to be something else there, but that arena isn't the way to go. Hell, they actually said the same about the Convention Center when they "moved" it from UC to downtown. And 30 years in the location and all of the things they said it would bring, it has not.
 

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Skyscrapers being taller than William Penn was historically a superstition thing. Penn "overlooks the city" and people were superstition about there being parts that he didn't overlook.

There's no reason for it to be downtown. What's wrong with having all of the arenas in one place? How many other cities have that? 1 and that's because the 2 sports share the location? It's a rarity. It's in the perfect location for what it serves. Why not move the Eagles downtown or the Phillies or Flyers? What's the difference? You aren't going to the arena area unless you want to go there. Everything people want around arenas are already there. And there's nothing but empty space around there. No matter how you slice it, an arena there displaces some of the pre-existing business, whereas it goes into a lot with empty space and creates more business.

AND there's no such thing as center city taxes. Taxes for Philly are the same no matter the location. The revenue from building it in the P are the same as the built it downtown. The jobs, the taxes it brings are the same. Basically, there's no benefit for it being in center city...only to match what other cities do...and so many negatives. There's plenty of things they can use the Gallery for, and I agree it needs to be something else there, but that arena isn't the way to go. Hell, they actually said the same about the Convention Center when they "moved" it from UC to downtown. And 30 years in the location and all of the things they said it would bring, it has not.

#1, The Sixers do not want to share an arena with the Flyers

#2, the Phillies wanted to be downtown but Chinatown nixed that and they ended up at CBP

#3, 11th & Market is surrounded by transportation...regional rail, trolleys, PATCO, Broad St Sub, and the El...not just the Sub

#4, the Sixers arena would host more than just Sixers games...it would actually broaden the city's appeal for attracting national & international events, and having the infrastructure to support tens of thousands of ppl at venues within walking distance to one another

#5, East Market has failed, the Gallery has failed...to do nothing there would be a lost opportunity

#6, 11th & Market is not Chinatown

#7, A world class city deserves a downtown arena...the Wells Fargo/First Union/Corestates Center will still be down there

#8, The potential for additional tax revenue is much greater downtown than it is in SP

If the Sixers end up building their arena in NJ, I won't feel one bit of remorse when Philly fans riot over it...the Sixers have not requested any public funding, unlike most pro sports teams who are seeking new arenas/stadiums...they simply want to control their development destiny and develop their own economic hub that's bigger than basketball
 

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Good. Now what did I say? :childplease:

This is the Berlin Central Station:
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American cities need more spaces like this for people to move about and also connect transit, and not a damn sports arena for a billionaire to collect.


And that's all it's really about. They don't care about it being downtown, they just the extra money that it brings. That's why they're still using NJ and Delaware as a bargaining chip.

Atlanta Braves had a stadium downtown and still moved out to the burbs. It's always just about more money in the owners pockets. It's not about revitalizing any cities, it's about revitalizing a billionaire's pockets.
 

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It's city government fault it even got to this point, this shyt should have been wrapped up 6 months ago before Camden could offer the tax incentives and that beautiful ass arena rendering :francis:

This would be a historic fukk up for a city if they let the sixers bounce
Sixers are offering
  • Buying the dead Fashion District mall and improving the transportation hub attached to it
  • Paying for the arena with no tax payer money
  • Millions of dollars to the city over 10 yrs in the form of community outreach and non profits
  • Millions for the Chinatown people as a concession despite the arena not even being in chinatown
  • Guaranteed contracts for black vendors inside the new arena
  • A work program giving union jobs in the poorest major city until 2031
  • Revitalizing a dead part of the city that's honestly a shythole (chinatown is a shythole too with dirty stinky alleyways and human trafficking but we can't talk about that)
This is one of the best sports arena plans I've ever seen on paper. The fact it's even a debate when cities are out there giving billions to teams is kind of crazy to me. They saying the new mayor hasn't even had a meeting on this yet
 

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I mean how far would it be from the sports complex now? Both are literally right over the Walt Whitman.
Regardless I think it’s a bad look for Philly letting it get to this…
it's the lack of public transportation that gets you to the proposed arena.


The rendering looks nice and it's what any city really wants. Either a downtown arena or something overlooking their waterfront.
 

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it's the lack of public transportation that gets you to the proposed arena.


The rendering looks nice and it's what any city really wants. Either a downtown arena or something overlooking their waterfront.

I went to a cigar lounge on Del Ave a few wks back, all that development around the casino, but we can't find a parcel of land down there to accommodate them :snoop:

The Sixers were open to downtown, Delaware Ave and Schuylkill Yards...any one of those locations would be perfect
 
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