70% of Prisoners Come From Single Mother Households

[Apollo Creed]

Ain’t nobody a divestor, agent, etc. I haven’t dated white men. Stop.

I saw this shyt online and thought I might get one more plat before the year ended.

I’ve commented in a few other threads since this and this is my first time stepping in here after making it. I didn’t actually think it’d get to 8 pages.

NOW, what I will say is that the single-mother automatically = child going to jail thing is rampant in these online videos and it’s ridiculous, but I will most certainly acknowledge how necessary a father is in the household/life of a child and how lost a child could be without his influence and guidance.

In the end, I think we need to focus on telling both sexes how to be more responsible.


I feel like we keep skirting around the issue.
YES a lot of these women make stupid decisions when it comes to the men they share their bodies with, AND a lot of these men make stupid decisions to not be around for the kid they created. This isn’t ONLY going to be solved by women just not having sex. We need a culture that teaches BOTH sexes to value moving on to the mature stage of life and having kids within wedlock.

Shyt is outrageous in our community because BOTH sexes lack shame. There are other cultures where the women don’t want to get pregnant out of wedlock AND the men also feel shame for possibly creating children out of wedlock. How to WE go back to being a culture where both the women AND men are shamed for shytty behavior?

It’s shameful to spread your legs for a bum, a scammer, a dude who already has kids out of wedlock.

But it should be equally as shameful to BE a bum, a scammer, or a dude who has a child out of wedlock.

We have ppl who are not emotionally and financially equipped to have children creating lives and putting kids in fukked up situations where they may have no supervision or guidance that keeps them from being influenced by the streets. Thus, jail.

We gotta deal with the poverty/low-incomes. The bad neighborhoods. The people who for whatever reason can’t use condoms and birth control. The people who think marriage is a more serious commitment than creating LIFE.

Bums do get shamed and they are a minority sleeping with a “majority” who gets nonaccountability and are seen as heros for ruining lives.

So the whataboutism shyt gotta stop. Men who aint even bums are getting shytted on while the women are being glorifed by mama you the mvp ent

 

[Max Power]

Stop having kids with pieces of shyt. It's very simple.

 

[Uachet]

Dude does a great job of breaking down what’s wrong with the way this statistic is presented

TikTok - Make Your Day

Dad debunks the patriarchal claim that 70% of sons of single mothers end up in jail

He criticizes male influencers and podcasters who perpetuate this myth, stating that it is based on made-up information.

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According to the Department of Justice, as of 2021, there were approximately 1.2 million people incarcerated in the United States, as Brent mentions in his video. The Annie E. Casey Foundationestimates that there are currently 24 million children living in single-parent households. Brent uses the rough midpoint of this range in his video to demonstrate how the 70-80% claim makes no sense. Brent emphasizes that the specifics of these claims, made mostly by men vary to a large degree.

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"Seventy percent of the estimated 19 million children raised in single-mother homes would be about 13 million." Given that there are only 1.2 million people in prison, 70-80% is "an absurdly wrong number." He added, "We're not sure if it's 70% or if it's 80% if it represents all prisoners, just young men, or only Black men. However, what we do know [according to these inaccurate claims] is that prisons are full of young men from single-mother homes, and the womenfolk are to blame for it."

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According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, 70% of juvenile delinquents come from single-parent homes, including children raised by their fathers, as well as children raised by other relatives or in foster care. Single-parent households accounted for only 54% of juvenile delinquents overall, including single fathers. But, as Brent points out, the figure has been misrepresented in addition to being 35 years out of date.

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"Since your lifetime incarceration risk is about 5%, what that means is instead of 70% of children raised by single mothers going to jail, actually, well over 80% will avoid ever seeing a jail," he said. Children raised by single fathers have the highest rates of incarceration, especially once their father finds a new girlfriend or remarries. According to a University of Nebraska-Lincoln study cited in Brent's TikTok, 40% of single fathers abandon their children within eight years — a rate that skyrockets when the single father finds a new partner.

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Brent concludes it well, "If we really care about improving childhood outcomes, then we need to stop talking about single mothers and instead talk about... fathers that treat their children as disposable." As many misogynist podcasters today like to say, "Facts don't care about your feelings." Also, don't forget to apply cold water to that burnt area. Never mind, that might not help either.

Here is the problem. What they state is that 70% of those incarcerated came from single mother homes, not 70% of children raised by single mothers will be incarcerated. There is a difference between the two. The 70% people talk about was given by a Department of Health & Human services subsidiary, but that was based on only one state, Georgia.

Second, his actual chart, from the Bureau of Justice, shows that the population of prisons is mainly filled with people from two-parent and single mother households, the rest of the categories are in the single digits, which includes single-father households.

What he has done is twisted what the original claim was so that he can effectively argue against it. I do not remember anyone stating that 70% of children raised by single mothers will be incarcerated. What they did say was 70% of those incarcerated came from single mother homes. Now that figure is only true for the study done in Georgia, and posted by their State Bar. He is still wrong too, because he is starting out with an incorrect statement of the premise himself.

 

[Gloxina]

Our coli queen @Gloxina with a platinum thread 🫡

A thread worthy of brotherzay

I mean showed out, too!

@Gloxina

And she left the thread like @BrothaZay too Well executed

I completely used @BrothaZay ‘s playbook. I figured someone would catch it and laugh lmao

 

[TQbrit]

the stat is used to blame black women but its not they fault they are single mothers in MOST cases.

And who's fault would it be? You literally cant stop someone who wants to take care of their kid, you'll always find ways and means

 

[TQbrit]

This shyt is crazy to me cos why are you blaming the parent WITH the child except BUT the bum who spread his seed and left? Why put blame on the victim

 

[Uachet]

This shyt is crazy to me cos why are you blaming the parent WITH the child except BUT the bum who spread his seed and left? Why put blame on the victim

You blame both, when the parent who decided to keep the child knew the father of the child was unfit and had children all over the place he was not taking care of. Both need to be blamed. The group of men who have not participated at all, 54%, deserve no blame, while the group of women who also chose wisely or were actually duped deserve no blame.

 

[TQbrit]

You blame both, when the parent who decided to keep the child knew the father of the child was unfit and had children all over the place he was not taking care of. Both need to be blamed. The group of men who have not participated at all, 54%, deserve no blame, while the group of women who also chose wisely or were actually duped deserve no blame.

That is correct, however, i am seeing more of the blame put on the mother for "choosing bums" instead of tackling the problem from the root, which the bums themselves

Sidebar: i like debating you, You more learned than i took you for

 

[Uachet]

That is correct, however, i am seeing more of the blame put on the mother for "choosing bums" instead of tackling the problem from the root, which the bums themselves

Sidebar: i like debating you, You more learned than i took you for

Well, most of the blame should go on the person who has most of the responsibility for taking care of the children of known unfit men.

Example, say I am responsible for a business and I hire on a person known for being an embezzler who has done the crime at multiple other businesses. Whom is more responsible for the outcome, the incorrigible thief whom everyone know is going to continue thieving, or me the business man who knowingly hired the thief giving him access to the business funds?

That is in the similar vein to women who know they will be the ones raising the child of the known unfit (in and out of prison and/or drug user) man who has children by other women he is not taking care of. Yet, they still decide to have the child by that person. She can't then complain about how she is being held responsible for that decision, when she knowingly chosen to have a child by a man whom everyone knew would not be there for the child. In that case, yes she deserves most of the blame.

 

[TQbrit]

Well, most of the blame should go on the person who has most of the responsibility for taking care of the children of known unfit men.

Example, say I am responsible for a business and I hire on a person known for being an embezzler who has done the crime at multiple other businesses. Whom is more responsible for the outcome, the incorrigible thief whom everyone know is going to continue thieving, or me the business man who knowingly hired the thief giving him access to the business funds?

That is in the similar vein to women who know they will be the ones raising the child of the known unfit (in and out of prison and/or drug user) man who has children by other women he is not taking care of. Yet, they still decide to have the child by that person. She can't then complain about how she is being held responsible for that decision, when she knowingly chosen to have a child by a man whom everyone knew would not be there for the child. In that case, yes she deserves most of the blame.

That's not the case all the time tho, hell, a lot of times the men who leave aren't druggies/ prison magnets, theyre are ordinary joes, who happen to hate taking responsibility for anything. If the result of single mothers were only these miscreant types, the problem would've been solved long ago

There are doctors, lawyers, teachers etc who are leaving women high and dry after impregnating them. Putting the stupid birds aside (women who glorify toxic hood culture and purposefully seek them out), most single mothers are lied to and deceived from the jump by these men (of all races) and are oblivious to the red flags from the jump

These are experiences I've seen with my own eyes across the globe for the 30 years i been alive

 

[Uachet]

That's not the case all the time tho, hell, a lot of times the men who leave aren't druggies/ prison magnets, theyre are ordinary joes, who happen to hate taking responsibility for anything. If the result of single mothers were only these miscreant types, the problem would've been solved long ago

There are doctors, lawyers, teachers etc who are leaving women high and dry after impregnating them. Putting the stupid birds aside (women who glorify toxic hood culture and purposefully seek them out), most single mothers are lied to and deceived from the jump by these men (of all races) and are oblivious to the red flags from the jump

These are experiences I've seen with my own eyes across the globe for the 30 years i been alive

Actually, the majority of men who are creating single mothers are in those categories according to the actual stats. Add in the fact that I was very specific about whom deserves more responsibility on the issue that I stated, your anecdotal evidence does not hold when actual stats and laying of blame is being placed on those who actually are within the purview of the circumstances I made clear in my post you quoted.

 

[CashmereThoughts]

im not even going to ask where these sourced this data from

 

[Ohene]

People hear "single mother" and assume a woman is solely responsible for whatever the situation may be.

When I hear "single mother" I question where the father was.

cause youre a simp

 

[TQbrit]

Actually, the majority of men who are creating single mothers are in those categories according to the actual stats. Add in the fact that I was very specific about whom deserves more responsibility on the issue that I stated, your anecdotal evidence does not hold when actual stats and laying of blame is being placed on those who actually are within the purview of the circumstances I made clear in my post you quoted.

My singular experience wasn't used as a crutch for this argument, all i said was this is what i've seen everywhere. And im not just using America as an example, men across the diaspora do that and alot of them arent falling in those categories. They are regular people shaped by patriachy

 

[WIA20XX]

The meta-narrative for Black Men

1) Black women pick bad partners from jump - They go for guys with "swag", but have no values, no jobs, no anything.
2) Black Women are against birth control
3) Even when good Black men are chosen, Black women drive away good men.

The meta-narrative for Black Women

1) There are no or few good men out there.
2) He's just as responsible for birth control as she is
3) These so-called good black men switch up when things get real. So they have to initiate divorce.

Choose your own adventure