7/29/2023 Showtime PPV presents The King of Fighters: Errol 'The Truth' Spence Jr vs Terence 'Bud' Crawford(WBC/WBA/IBF/WBO/Ring/Lineal 147 titles)

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

James Toney was only 23 when he fought McCallum bro; far from a HOF'er. His big win right before that was against Nunn where he was being badly outboxed till he turned his lights out (pun intended lol). DLH was the first great fighter Mosley fought but no one questioned his greatness really. Thurman's win against Porter in a championship bout was a clear UD in a fight where he didn't get lit up but stood toe to toe. Porter was clearly in his prime during that period. He made Garcia gunshy till he obviously took his foot off the gas & cruised to a decision bro. I did a quick search & Garcia threw 700 punches against Spence. You know how many he threw against Thurman.........lol......434 That should tell you everything you need to know about how that fight went down; he was gunshy & scared of the counters coming back. And it's not that people were blown away by Thurman. He was a unified champ, took down 2 of the top guys in the division, & did it relatively easy but his inactivity robbed us of seeing him against some of the other guys. We'll definitely have to agee to disagree

I'm talking overall careers. I could overlook a subpar performance here and there when you have other great wins on your resume. You mentioned floyd vs maidana. But we seen Floyd dominate canelo. Seen him dominate coralles.

What performances of Keith will be remembered like these?....if he had any stellar performances aside from porter and Garcia I could understand. But his entire career he's been underwhelming. Forget his big fights. Even against guys like collazo and josesito he never looked spectacular.

When you look at Keith's entire career, he was nothing more than a B level fighter. His best wins being close decisions over porter and Danny. Two guys who themselves were B level fighters in a very underwhelming welterweight era. These guys are not Mosley and delahoya. They're not even Fernando Vargas. If Keith was gonna show he was truly elite it would have been in those fights. Just like bud did against Spence. But every time Keith had a chance to prove his greatness he always disappointed.

 

[Knicksman20]

I'm talking overall careers. I could overlook a subpar performance here and there when you have other great wins on your resume. You mentioned floyd vs maidana. But we seen Floyd dominate canelo. Seen him dominate coralles.

What performances of Keith will be remembered like these?....if he had any stellar performances aside from porter and Garcia I could understand. But his entire career he's been underwhelming. Forget his big fights. Even against guys like collazo and josesito he never looked spectacular.

When you look at Keith's entire career, he was nothing more than a B level fighter. His best wins being close decisions over porter and Danny. Two guys who themselves were B level fighters in a very underwhelming welterweight era. These guys are not Mosley and delahoya. They're not even Fernando Vargas. If Keith was gonna show he was truly elite it would have been in those fights. Just like bud did against Spence. But every time Keith had a chance to prove his greatness he always disappointed.

Outside of the one body shot Collazo landed (which could've happened to anyone) Thurman beat Collazo's ass into quitting saying he couldn't see anymore because he busted his face up lol. He dominated him & I'm not sure how you didn't see that. And the Josesito performance was terrible but we know he went in injured & had all that inactivity

Maybe he's a B level fighter but you sure are underrating & downplaying him a lot lol

 

[Knicksman20]

@((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL

I swear, YT is listening to me bro

This was in my recommended:

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

@((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL

I swear, YT is listening to me bro

This was in my recommended:

What's crazier is that type of shyt has happened after I've had real life conversations .....I was listening to a podcast on the car radio one time and they mentioned an old movie. So I grabbed my phone to look it up and it popped up after typed the first two letters.....these muthafukkers watching our every move

 

[Knicksman20]

What's crazier is that type of shyt has happened after I've had real life conversations .....I was listening to a podcast on the car radio one time and they mentioned an old movie. So I grabbed my phone to look it up and it popped up after typed the first two letters.....these muthafukkers watching our every move

Pre Covid, I was at work having a convo with someone about food & recipes. Later that day I opened YT from my phone & the recipe for what I was talking about was in the first vids I saw

I don't care what anyone says, these phones & other smart devices are listening to us lol

 

[UpAndComing]

Outside of the one body shot Collazo landed (which could've happened to anyone) Thurman beat Collazo's ass into quitting saying he couldn't see anymore because he busted his face up lol. He dominated him & I'm not sure how you didn't see that. And the Josesito performance was terrible but we know he went in injured & had all that inactivity

Maybe he's a B level fighter but you sure are underrating & downplaying him a lot lol

@((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL

I swear, YT is listening to me bro

This was in my recommended:

In your opinion, what do you think went wrong when he faced Pacquiao breh?

Just rewatched the fight maybe 3 weeks ago. For an athletic fighter that Thurman is, he seemed to struggle against another athletic fighter. Dude looked like he was in quicksand, was unable to set the pace, and was unable to catch Pacquiao with any effective shots, outside of maybe 3 at best. And Pacquiao was catching him with counters all night

 

[NormanConnors]

The fact that it was a fight of the year candidate is exactly what I mean. A great fighter should never be in a fight of the year with basic ass Shawn Porter. If Keith was really that guy that should have been a boring ass decision. Same goes for Errol's performance against shawn. That's when I really knew Spence wasn't worth the hype.

I think a Spence vs Keith fight woulda went the same exact way as Keith vs porter. Except I think spence woulda done a better job digging to Keith's body. Keith just isn't good with pressure and he doesn't have good stamina. That would be his biggest downfall to me. Keith proved to be nothing special. Honestly not a single one of his big fight performances ever impressed me. Him and Errol are the same exact level. I just think Spences superior grit would win out. The fact that Spence even finished that bud fight on his feet is enough proof that he woulda been able to outdog Thurman. He took a beating for the ages and kept coming. Keith woulda folded well before then.

Honestly keith was just never that great to me

Explain why Bud had to get bailed out against Porter...Porter wins that fight by decision if he doesnt get careless. Yeah the fight was stopped but Thurman had an easier time with a much sharper version

Both guys at their best, Spence stops Thurman by the way.

 

[NormanConnors]

In your opinion, what do you think went wrong when he faced Pacquiao breh?

Just rewatched the fight maybe 3 weeks ago. For an athletic fighter that Thurman is, he seemed to struggle against another athletic fighter. Dude looked like he was in quicksand, was unable to set the pace, and was unable to catch Pacquiao with any effective shots, outside of maybe 3 at best. And Pacquiao was catching him with counters all night

Ain't shyt go wrong but a careless mishap, Thurman doesn't get knocked down he wins that fight

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

Thurman had an easier time with a much sharper version

Absolutely not


Porter landed 79 total punches on bud. He landed 236 punches on keith.....And 177 of those were power shots. He literally landed 100 more power punches on Keith than he landed TOTAL on bud ......overall, Keith took triple the amount of punches that bud did. If you think that's an easier time I don't know what to tell you. The next morning I promise you Keith was in much worse condition.

We can talk about scoring all day. But all that matters is that bud knocked porter out. Period. And he wasn't bailed out. His father stopped it because he knew he was moments away from getting put to sleep. Porter was getting hit right on the button by a legit knock out artist. Even Shawn said he couldn't complain about it.

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

Ain't shyt go wrong but a careless mishap, Thurman doesn't get knocked down he wins that fight

Facts.

Manny faded from Rnd 5-6 onwards.

The early knockdown and the late body shot saved him from losing that.

 

[patscorpio]

Explain why Bud had to get bailed out against Porter...Porter wins that fight by decision if he doesnt get careless. Yeah the fight was stopped but Thurman had an easier time with a much sharper version

Both guys at their best, Spence stops Thurman by the way.

This is nonsense breh ..Crawford was up on all 3 cards before he started dropping Porter all over the place..Porter was done in by Crawford going to his body early and wearing him out...Kenny Porter doesn't stop it and he really gets taken out..I was at Thurman vs Porter..aint shyt easy about that fight..Thurman won a hard 115-113 fight with him...he was under pressure all gotdamn fight and got tagged by Porter all night.

If you said Kell Brook had an easier time with Porter than that would make sense because he beat him more clearly than Spence and Thurman did

 

[Knicksman20]

In your opinion, what do you think went wrong when he faced Pacquiao breh?

Just rewatched the fight maybe 3 weeks ago. For an athletic fighter that Thurman is, he seemed to struggle against another athletic fighter. Dude looked like he was in quicksand, was unable to set the pace, and was unable to catch Pacquiao with any effective shots, outside of maybe 3 at best. And Pacquiao was catching him with counters all night

I think the knockdown in the 1st round shell shocked him (mental error) when he pulled straight back & then we saw the ring rust as well. By the 4th/5th round though, the tide started to changed & he got into a groove with the counters & power shots. He swept most of the 2nd half of the fight. But he lost his sense of urgency at the end & didn't throw enough to close strong

 

[Big Boss]

James Toney was only 23 when he fought McCallum bro; far from a HOF'er. His big win right before that was against Nunn where he was being badly outboxed till he turned his lights out (pun intended lol). DLH was the first great fighter Mosley fought but no one questioned his greatness really. Thurman's win against Porter in a championship bout was a clear UD in a fight where he didn't get lit up but stood toe to toe. Porter was clearly in his prime during that period. He made Garcia gunshy till he obviously took his foot off the gas & cruised to a decision bro. I did a quick search & Garcia threw 700 punches against Spence. You know how many he threw against Thurman.........lol......434 That should tell you everything you need to know about how that fight went down; he was gunshy & scared of the counters coming back. And it's not that people were blown away by Thurman. He was a unified champ, took down 2 of the top guys in the division, & did it relatively easy but his inactivity robbed us of seeing him against some of the other guys. We'll definitely have to agee to disagree

***With Ghost, Thurman beat whatever prime that dude had left & dominated him. When he knocked him down, he shot his load trying to finish him throwing haymakers & wasted a bunch of energy. That was the only time Ghost had any success with him which was the last couple of rounds. Other than that, he got beat down lol*****

 

[chunky_mcdaniels]

Ain't shyt go wrong but a careless mishap, Thurman doesn't get knocked down he wins that fight

Additionally, this is why I put a stack on Ugas to get the decision vs Manny.

PAC’s decline was evident in the Thurman fight, just needed to look for it.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

I thought it was a reach until derrick went in for a 2nd squeeze.....he really couldn't believe what he just saw