JamesJabdi
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dudes on here who were talking about Crawford getting screwed are looking funny in the light...for future refrence.
7/29/2023 Showtime PPV presents The King of Fighters: Errol 'The Truth' Spence Jr vs Terence 'Bud' Crawford(WBC/WBA/IBF/WBO/Ring/Lineal 147 titles)
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damned mine eyes, DAMNED mine eyes!!
Senile Bob eating good off these young fighters
UpAndComing
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This is another great interview on Bud's business acumen. I remember earlier in this thread alot of us were telling Spence fans that Crawford was the one making the deals happen to get both him and Spence paid the way they were supposed to get paid
I always say the David Avanesyan was both a great Boxing and Business move for Crawford. Great boxing move in that it prepared him for how to fight Spence and a somewhat similar fighting style. Great business move in that it was a leverage play to see how much he garner as a PPV commodity. That allowed him to negotiate better percentage splits for the July 29th fight for higher guaranteed pay, ticket sales, and other residuals
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Just an absolute masterclass. Two completely different levels of ring iq. All that off balance lunging was always gonna be Spence's downfall.
CanesMiamiLakers
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The more I see these breakdowns the I see that Spence just got outclassed. He may not have got knocked out if he wasn’t weight drained or whatever but he still would have taken a beating
Knicksman20
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This just popped up on my YT feed. Say what you want about Thurman, but he called this shyt & you can never question his boxing IQ. It's why I've always favored him to beat or stop Spence from years ago
For more context here's the clip with Custer
For more context here's the clip with Custer
((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL
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I always thought Keith would give Spence trouble early cause he starts fast and sharp. But he fades too quickly and gets sloppy. Those Danny and porter performances were hot garbage. I thought he was gonna dominate both. After a while I realized he's just not the guy I thought he was. And he don't got that dog in him like bud.
Once Spence digs into his body he's gonna get on his bike. If he doesn't catch spence early it would get rough for him by the middle rounds. Keith doesn't have buds timing or precision. Still woulda been a close fight cause Keith is a better boxer. But I just don't think he's durable enough to make it the distance. Too soft in the body. Bud proved that all them dudes at 147 were overrated as hell.
Knicksman20
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You're buggin on what I bolded lol; especially the Porter fight which got votes for FOTY. Word to @patscorpio who was in Brooklyn I believe lol. Thurman outfought Porter going through the fire & still didn't get lit up like Spence did bro. He hurt Porter a few times & damn near dropped him. That was probably Porter at his peak. He also was the first fighter to make Danny super hesitant & keep his hands in his pockets all fight long. Matthysse couldn't even do that but Thurman very obviously took his foot off the gas in a one sided fight.
I could see Thurman making Spence pay a price every time he decided to go to the body. You add Spence's bad footwork, lunging, horrible defense, the angles where Thurman throws shots & it doesn't look good for him eating clean shots from him all fight. For all of Thurman's flaws & seeing him hurt I'll ask you one thing: Has he gone down or been stopped to the body? That shows you he's a dog himself & very tough mentally & that he didn't even allow himself to take a knee when he's been hurt to the body several times
Knicksman20
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I think Buds beats him but I wouldn't doubt one second if he hurts Crawford one or more times while it lasted
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The fact that it was a fight of the year candidate is exactly what I mean. A great fighter should never be in a fight of the year with basic ass Shawn Porter. If Keith was really that guy that should have been a boring ass decision. Same goes for Errol's performance against shawn. That's when I really knew Spence wasn't worth the hype.
You're buggin on what I bolded lol; especially the Porter fight which got votes for FOTY. Word to @patscorpio who was in Brooklyn I believe lol. Thurman outfought Porter going through the fire & still didn't get lit up like Spence did bro. He hurt Porter a few times & damn near dropped him. That was probably Porter at his peak. He also was the first fighter to make Danny super hesitant & keep his hands in his pockets all fight long. Matthysse couldn't even do that but Thurman very obviously took his foot off the gas in a one sided fight.
I could see Thurman making Spence pay a price every time he decided to go to the body. You add Spence's bad footwork, lunging, horrible defense, the angles where Thurman throws shots & it doesn't look good for him eating clean shots from him all fight. For all of Thurman's flaws & seeing him hurt I'll ask you one thing: Has he gone down or been stopped to the body? That shows you he's a dog himself & very though mentally & that he didn't even allow himself to take a knee when he's been hurt to the body several times
I think a Spence vs Keith fight woulda went the same exact way as Keith vs porter. Except I think spence woulda done a better job digging to Keith's body. Keith just isn't good with pressure and he doesn't have good stamina. That would be his biggest downfall to me. Keith proved to be nothing special. Honestly not a single one of his big fight performances ever impressed me. Him and Errol are the same exact level. I just think Spences superior grit would win out. The fact that Spence even finished that bud fight on his feet is enough proof that he woulda been able to outdog Thurman. He took a beating for the ages and kept coming. Keith woulda folded well before then.
Honestly keith was just never that great to me
Knicksman20
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Let's not play that game bro lol. So James Toney vs Mike McCallum was a terrible performance because Toney won by majority decision in a nip tuck fight? How about Sugar Shane vs DLH 1 which was a split decision in favor of Mosley? Mayweather vs Maidana 1, Sweet P vs Chavez? I can keep going on with the fights but your logic is flawed broThe fact that it was a fight of the year candidate is exactly what I mean. A great fighter should never be in a fight of the year with basic ass Shawn Porter. If Keith was really that guy that should have been a boring ass decision. Same goes for Errol's performance against shawn. That's when I really knew Spence wasn't worth the hype.
I think a Spence vs Keith fight woulda went the same exact way as Keith vs porter. Except I think spence woulda done a better job digging to Keith's body. Keith just isn't good with pressure and he doesn't have good stamina. That would be his biggest downfall to me. Keith proved to be nothing special. Honestly not a single one of his big fight performances ever impressed me. Him and Errol are the same exact level. I just think Spences superior grit would win out. The fact that Spence even finished that bud fight on his feet is enough proof that he woulda been able to outdog Thurman. He took a beating for the ages and kept coming. Keith woulda folded well before then.
Honestly keith was just never that great to me
The fact that you never really thought much of Thurman I believe has your opinion skewed a bit. And until the stoppage, Bud himself wasn't looking head & shoulders above Porter bro if you really wanna keep it a buck lol
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Difference between Keith and all the guys you named is that they all have great performances against top fighters. What top fighter has Keith ever beaten decisively?....even a 50% Spence beat Danny easier than prime Keith did. Most of the guys you named are hall of famers. Keith will never sniff the hall of Fame. I honestly don't know why he's held to such a high regard by some posters. I'm still wondering what performance of his blew people away. I can't think of a single one that will be remembered in history.
Bud vs Shawn may have been close but shawn never put hands on him like he did Keith and Spence. Because he respected bud on a way higher level. Bud expected shawn to be his usual self and counter him all night. But shawn was gunshy and it turned into boring fight. But once bomac told bud to stop bullshytting you seen bud flip that switch in an instant. Took him out with ease like Keith shoulda been able to do. That's what a real great fighter does to somebody like Shawn.
I remember a lot of Keith fans saying he was gonna dominate Shawn with ease. Then they switched their then afterwards just like Spence fans did. But I knew from the jump Keith would struggle. He showed he couldn't handle pressure well before then.
I respect your opinion breh. But I just don't see it with Keith. I never did. We gonna have to agree to disagree on this one
Knicksman20
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James Toney was only 23 when he fought McCallum bro; far from a HOF'er. His big win right before that was against Nunn where he was being badly outboxed till he turned his lights out (pun intended lol). DLH was the first great fighter Mosley fought but no one questioned his greatness really. Thurman's win against Porter in a championship bout was a clear UD in a fight where he didn't get lit up but stood toe to toe. Porter was clearly in his prime during that period. He made Garcia gunshy till he obviously took his foot off the gas & cruised to a decision bro. I did a quick search & Garcia threw 700 punches against Spence. You know how many he threw against Thurman.........lol......434Difference between Keith and all the guys you named is that they all have great performances against top fighters. What top fighter has Keith ever beaten decisively?....even a 50% Spence beat Danny easier than prime Keith did. Most of the guys you named are hall of famers. Keith will never sniff the hall of Fame. I honestly don't know why he's held to such a high regard by some posters. I'm still wondering what performance of his blew people away. I can't think of a single one that will be remembered in history.
Bud vs Shawn may have been close but shawn never put hands on him like he did Keith and Spence. Because he respected bud on a way higher level. Bud expected shawn to be his usual self and counter him all night. But shawn was gunshy and it turned into boring fight. But once bomac told bud to stop bullshytting you seen bud flip that switch in an instant. Took him out with ease like Keith shoulda been able to do. That's what a real great fighter does to somebody like Shawn.
I remember a lot of Keith fans saying he was gonna dominate Shawn with ease. Then they switched their then afterwards just like Spence fans did. But I knew from the jump Keith would struggle. He showed he couldn't handle pressure well before then.
I respect your opinion breh. But I just don't see it with Keith. I never did. We gonna have to agree to disagree on this one
That should tell you everything you need to know about how that fight went down; he was gunshy & scared of the counters coming back. And it's not that people were blown away by Thurman. He was a unified champ, took down 2 of the top guys in the division, & did it relatively easy but his inactivity robbed us of seeing him against some of the other guys. We'll definitely have to agee to disagree***With Ghost, Thurman beat whatever prime that dude had left & dominated him. When he knocked him down, he shot his load trying to finish him throwing haymakers & wasted a bunch of energy. That was the only time Ghost had any success with him which was the last couple of rounds. Other than that, he got beat down lol*****