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To me this is a problem all companies running shows have: They're still basing the lay outs of matches as if there were a crowd. The ebbs and flows of both MJF/Jungle Boy and Cody/Archer were really dependent on the crowds biting in the moments they needed to bite, which even with some of the roster at ringside is not the same thing since they're mostly just out there talking shyt and goofing off.

My view is right now, in any company, traditional "story based" matches do not work. Anything that is built around ebbs and flows that a live crowd would be reacting to do not work. Everything needs to be short, compact fun sprints, wild spot fests, comedy stuff, or the cinematic stuff like Boneyard/Stadium Stampede/I assume shyt TNA is doing. Cody playing 80s NWA face in front of now crowd in a long match is fukking weird. MJF doing 80s heel stooging in front of no crowd makes it stand out even more how corny everything is. Every company still running seems to be formatting their matches as "just go out there and do whatever as long as you take up time" and for me personally, that fukking sucks.

I guess I feel like companies/talent should be using this time to rethink how they work matches, even if it is just for the time being. I see a lot of praise for this show and feel like I watched something else, because what I saw was overly long matches where guys were struggling because it's fukking weird working without a crowd but still working as if there is one because they are still in that paradigm of how to work. Could be just me, though. I couldn't watch any of the TV shows from WWE or AEW after one or two eps in this format and it isn't anything against the talent themselves, who definitely are working hard in both companies, but it's just so off to me it drives me nuts.
 

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Looks like Marty Scurll is coming into AEW on a Jeff Cobb like scenario IMO. No way they film something with him for BTE when they're supposed to be social distancing if he wasn't tested and being added to the crew in Jacksonville.

He's got nothing else to do since ROH and NWA aren't running shows in the near future.
 

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To me this is a problem all companies running shows have: They're still basing the lay outs of matches as if there were a crowd. The ebbs and flows of both MJF/Jungle Boy and Cody/Archer were really dependent on the crowds biting in the moments they needed to bite, which even with some of the roster at ringside is not the same thing since they're mostly just out there talking shyt and goofing off.

My view is right now, in any company, traditional "story based" matches do not work. Anything that is built around ebbs and flows that a live crowd would be reacting to do not work. Everything needs to be short, compact fun sprints, wild spot fests, comedy stuff, or the cinematic stuff like Boneyard/Stadium Stampede/I assume shyt TNA is doing. Cody playing 80s NWA face in front of now crowd in a long match is fukking weird. MJF doing 80s heel stooging in front of no crowd makes it stand out even more how corny everything is. Every company still running seems to be formatting their matches as "just go out there and do whatever as long as you take up time" and for me personally, that fukking sucks.

I guess I feel like companies/talent should be using this time to rethink how they work matches, even if it is just for the time being. I see a lot of praise for this show and feel like I watched something else, because what I saw was overly long matches where guys were struggling because it's fukking weird working without a crowd but still working as if there is one because they are still in that paradigm of how to work. Could be just me, though. I couldn't watch any of the TV shows from WWE or AEW after one or two eps in this format and it isn't anything against the talent themselves, who definitely are working hard in both companies, but it's just so off to me it drives me nuts.



with all due respect though.... they did and do have a crowd:dwillhuh:


Not saying it’s a crowd of thousands of folks there but there are people there in addition to the wrestlers ringside.

I forgot what match..... maybe the Moxley match but there was a part someone went to the audience and you saw like a section of peeps sitting there cheering

Even a few weeks ago during the match between Sex Gods and Hardy/Omega.

When it went backstage there was like parents with kids and and few other random people out there. I specifically remember caught on camera (When it was swaying past all the fukkery) a father with his 2 boys trynna like get them out the way or something. Now that could’ve been some company suits from backstage.... but that to me (with bringing the kids) still counts as a crowd
 

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they better save him for the live crowds.

possibly ALL IN 3.


I don’t mind him going to AEW unlike some other folks (honestly I don’t care one way or another)

But he ABSOLUTELY NEEDS to go to IMPACT first to do the favors for MOOSE at Bound For Glory:ufdup:


Tessa vs Moose vs Sting for the IMPACT and TNA championships:lolbron:
 

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with all due respect though.... they did and do have a crowd:dwillhuh:


Not saying it’s a crowd of thousands of folks there but there are people there in addition to the wrestlers ringside.

I forgot what match..... maybe the Moxley match but there was a part someone went to the audience and you saw like a section of peeps sitting there cheering

Even a few weeks ago during the match between Sex Gods and Hardy/Omega.

When it went backstage there was like parents with kids and and few other random people out there. I specifically remember caught on camera (When it was swaying past all the fukkery) a father with his 2 boys trynna like get them out the way or something. Now that could’ve been some company suits from backstage.... but that to me (with bringing the kids) still counts as a crowd


The crowd is 30 people total including wrestlers and production members friends/kids and they certainly don't react like a normal crowd because they aren't a normal crowd. The matches being worked the way they were were for a normal multi thousand person crowd, not 30 coworkers goofing off for 3 1/2 hours.
 

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The crowd is 30 people total including wrestlers and production members friends/kids and they certainly don't react like a normal crowd because they aren't a normal crowd. The matches being worked the way they were were for a normal multi thousand person crowd, not 30 coworkers goofing off for 3 1/2 hours.

Just curious is that a documented number or coli guess?:ohhh:

Seriously asking, I didn’t know if that was publicly acknowledged one way or another:hubie:
 

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Meant to say this while watching the match, I never wanna see OC in another ladder match. His schtick does not work there, its not funny there imo.
 

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Good show.

Started off :francis: with the botchomania ladder match (GREAT format though) saved by Cage's debut which is a great look for the company.

IDGAF about Jungle Boy, but MJF is becoming a great heel. Match was eh.

Cody/Archer was great. Jake and Arn work well off each other and Jake is absolutely nailing that sweaty piece-of-shyt schtick. Would've popped so hard for Jake taking a bump off Arn, but glad to see both of them looking like they're not at death's door.

Kris Statlander is the most wooden and annoying wrestler in either of the Big Two at the moment. The only role she should be playing is as enhancement for Nyla. Give her a big bytch to put the beats on.

Dustin/Spears - solid match but nothing to write home about. Also, if Brandy was my brother's wife I'd have had him disappeared and used my sympathetic brother steez to steal her years ago. fukk family.:yeshrug:

Nyla/Hikaru - great match. I've been on the fence with the womens division in AEW generally, but if they can keep to this sort of quality in the title scene, they're doing alright. I think I would've kept the belt on Nyla a little longer to build her monster reputation, but Shida is a real talent and the whole match was solid entertainment.

Mox/Brodie - good hoss fight with Ambrose punching slightly above his hossdom. No major surprises, but it went by pretty quickly so I guess that means I had fun.

Stadium Stampede - stop the lists, stop the reviews, stop the blogs and podcasts.... match of the year has happened and almost certainly isn't getting topped unless Vince gets a line on some extremely pure Colombian fukkery powder ASAP. Adam Page chasing down Sammy Guevara on a damn HORSE is exactly why wrestling is essential business.:lolbron:It was the perfect environment for Matt Hardy to go OTT Matt Hardy and not just be annoying. I wasn't any sort of Hangman fan until this match, but between the horse riding, fukking the whole thing off to go drinking and then the bar-fight with Hager I might just GET him now. The Young Bucks are still pretty lame to me. Kenny Omega rises in my estimations every time I actually see him wrestle, but the two brothers remind me of a high school play every time I see them try and act. Guevara needs to be a star right now - or at least before his career finishes in a pool of his own blood on a concrete floor.:sadcam:

I was sports entertained. Good job.

Over to you, Vinnie Mac :mjgrin::troll:
 
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