4K Blu-ray discs arriving in 2015 to fight streaming media

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4K Blu-ray discs arriving in 2015 to fight streaming media

Those who want movies with the very highest quality will be keen on 4K Blu-ray's better resolution, color, and dynamic range. Yet millions seem happy with streaming video, despite its shortcomings.

by Stephen Shankland September 5, 2014 8:32 AM PDT

Much of the world is shifting to streaming video delivered over the Internet, but don't count out optical discs just yet.

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The Blu-ray Disc Association is most of the way done defining a version of its optical disc technology that can handlehigh-resolution 4K imagery, the group said Friday at theIFA electronics trade showhere. It will start licensing the technology in the spring or summer of 2015, and the first 4K Blu-ray players should arrive by the holiday-shopping season of that year, said Victor Matsuda, chairman of the Blu-ray Disc Association global promotions committee.

Using physical media instead of relying on fallible and often limited Internet connections means Blu-ray discs can provide the best possible image quality, he said. But there's more to 4K Blu-ray than just four times the number of pixels as in today's prevailing 1080p video, he added.

The new specification also will improve color gamut dramatically and offer a higher dynamic range so details in shadows and highlights are visible. The new format also will be able to show 4K video at 60 frames per second, he said.

"The packaged media and that enclosed, stable environment -- that's part of being the best of the best," Matsuda said.

It's not clear exactly now much of the market wants the best of the best, though: people have flocked to streaming services despite difficulties with bandwidth and image quality. With services from Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, Google, and others, people can watch the video they want immediately rather than having leave the house to get a disc. And subscription services offer access to a library of titles so people can watch as much as they want -- and try new TV shows or movies without having to decide whether it's worth the per-show price tag.

Streaming media is also becoming more convenient with players from Apple, Roku, Amazon, and Google. As of the second quarter of 2014, 17 percent of Internet-connected households have streaming-media players, NPD Group said.

But Matsuda believes a lot of the world will continue to use optical discs. Blu-ray is a force to be reckoned with. In the US, 72 million households -- about 62 percent -- had a Blu-ray player of some sort in 2014, according to the Digital Entertainment Group. Many people move to new technology slowly, and outside the US, there's another lag of six to 12 months.

Format changes that offer better quality are often a pain for consumers -- especially those who pick the wrong one, as was the case when the Betamax videotape format famously lost out to VHS, or when HD DVD lost out to Blu-ray. Consumers don't have to worry so much about formats with streaming media.

The new format works on existing Blu-ray discs with 50GB capacity, said Ron Martin, vice president of Panasonic's Hollywood lab and a member of the Blu-ray Association's task for for next-generation Blu-ray development. It stores data in a different way, though, moving from the H.264/AVC (Advanced Video Coding) compression technology to the newer H.265/HEVC (High Efficiency Video Coding) successor. HEVC takes more processing to use when encoding videos but compresses them more compactly -- or alternatively viewed, lets more pixels be sent across a given amount of data-transfer capacity.

The new 4K Blu-ray drive players will be able to extract data from discs at a rate of 50 or 60 megabits per second, and perhaps up to 100Mbps, Martin said. "That's roughly double the current Blu-ray," he said. Doubled data-transfer rates plus doubled compression efficiency means the new technology will be able to handle the quadrupled pixels required moving from 1,920x1,080 pixels to 3,820x2,160 pixels.

The new technology also will get updated digital rights management (DRM) technology for preventing unauthorized copying, Matsuda said.

Although 4K Blu-ray doesn't require larger disc capacity, they would benefit from it -- and that's something else the association is working on. "The roadmap says we have the capability to do that -- to increment to 66GB or maybe 100GB. those things are under study," Martin said.

For each frame of 4K Blu-ray video, the association expects significant image-quality improvements. Many experts are skeptical that people watching TV at ordinary TV viewing distances have sharp enough vision to tell the difference between today's 1080p HD video and 4K video -- also called Ultra HD or UHD. Matsuda, though, believes he can based on side-by-side comparisons, and certainly the TV industry is gradually moving that direction.

Matsuda and Martin expect other improvements than in spatial resolution, though.

First is better dynamic range. The 4K format will increase the bit depth for each pixel from 8 to 10, meaning that a greater range between bright and dark can be recorded for video that's been produced to take advantage of that.

Currently, "with fireworks or flashbulbs or looking at the sun, you get the level of brightness as with anything else white in the scene," Martin said. "Now we have 100 percent more signal range to capture those highlights to make a visible difference."

Second is a broader range of colors. A new color-recording technology calledBT.2020 allows a wider gamut, Martin said.

"The existing 709 color encoding system shows 30-35 percent of the visual color spectrum," Martin said. BT.2020 can "render about 70-80 percent. As TVs migrate you'll be able to detect those colors," he said. Blu-ray players will be able to detect BT.2020 support and use the better color gamut if it's available, but today's TVs don't yet have the feature, he said.

The Blu-ray contingent has one more advantage on its side, too: Hollywood. Consumers who've bought copies of the same movie in VHS, DVD, and Blu-ray aren't necessarily going to buy another version in Blu-ray 4K, and movie studios aren't necessarily going to go to the trouble of remastering existing movies to take full advantage of the new format. But for new movies, already often produced in 4K versions, the decision to support the format is a lot easier.

The Blu-ray Disc Association counts big studios as board members, including Disney, Warner, Fox, and Sony -- which makes both Blu-ray players and runs its Sony Entertainment studio. Also members of the association are Lionsgate, Universal, and Paramount.

"At one level or another all Hollywood is on board," Matsuda said.


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The public doesn't really feel that way anymore outside of video games.

1080P streaming is good enough for most, hell most accept 720P streaming just like I predicted they would :manny:
Blu ray and dvd sales generate billions of dollars yearly. So apparently the general public hasnt moved on.
 

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I mean.. does it really need to get clearer than 1080P? i'm assuming the jump to 4k is a tiny difference compared to the jump from standard definition to 720P
You can definitely tell the difference, the problem is that people prefer convenience over anything else. It has reached a point that a large percentage of people rather pay Amazon/Apple $4 to stream a movie rather than go to Redbox. When you factor in gas, time driving back and forth to get it, time back and forth to drop it off...it all comes out to the same price anyway.
 

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I think it's going to be extremely niche

I'm kinda mad since i just upgraded my TV

and just started getting back into movie collecting again and am still upgrading some DVD's to blu (my favs)

and now this is coming out

but blu wasn't as adopted as much as they thought .. DVD's still have like 70% of the market :scusthov:

factor in needing a new player plus the 4k tvs still kind of expensive.. and all you get right now for it is 2 shows on netflix

but when this hits i hope blu prices hit rock bottom :blessed:

when i get a new tv in the living room that'll be 4k though..gotta keep up with the joneses :jawalrus:
 

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Blu-Ray :flabbynsick:

DVD :silvugh:

Optical Media in general :flattoppika:

@midwesthiphop :sas1:



Bbbbbbbbbbbut I wanna collect


Bbbbbbbbbbbut I like the feel of it


Bbbbbbbbbbbut what if I wanna watch scarface at my boyfriend's house

:scusthov:

Wait til Google and Facebook help to make fiber more available :blessed:
 

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The public doesn't really feel that way anymore outside of video games.

1080P streaming is good enough for most, hell most accept 720P streaming just like I predicted they would :manny:


Not only that but 1080p TV just became a decent price not long ago, I haven't looked up it up yet but I can only imagine what a 4k TV cost about righ now t and I bet you probably need at least a 60in + to notice the difference vs 1080p :mjlol: but I'll let these cats who was talking about redbox was gonna knockout Netflix back on SOHH, gawd I wish we had them archives
 

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Bbbbbbbbbbbut I wanna collect


Bbbbbbbbbbbut I like the feel of it


Bbbbbbbbbbbut what if I wanna watch scarface at my boyfriend's house

:scusthov:

Wait til Google and Facebook help to make fiber more available :blessed:
Ill be enjoying 4k blu ray:ahh: while you struggle to download 720p copies while your internet provider throttles your speed. :flabbynsick:
 
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