4 Idaho college students killed in "worst crime we've ever seen". Suspect arrested 12/30

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This wasn't done by no frat boy.

"Bro, fukkn stab, bro. Not right there dude, right here. Fkn-A dude, just gimme the knife bro"
Right, and the police haven't brought them in for questioning? Haven't found blood soaked clothes because the family is in the cleaning business.
You think any competent killer wouldn't get rid of the bloody clothes?
 

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Summarized from Reddit


>\*allegedly\* (in no way my opinion, simply a summary and translation) 2 frat boys in SX with the same first name did it (some rumor- meaning discussed to a lessor extent or debated- they're in a sexual relationship). E and X got in a fight with frat boy 1 (weak rumor that they caught FB 1&2 having sex that night). E had a reputation for sh\*t talking and referenced FB 1's roid testicles. There was history of frat boy 1 not liking M because he wanted to get with her and thought her boyfriend was ugly. Frat boy 2's bedroom looked out on 1122 and they waited for the lights to go out. Frat boy 1 is an athlete and roid bro and knife hobbiest, he did it. frat boy 2 was on lookout. (some rumor there was a girl who helped watch or knew they were doing it) They left their phones on a youtube video at the SX house and are each other's alibis. Supposedly have already been interviewed and cleared because their DNA isn't in CODIS. K was victim of circumstance. (some rumor regarding FB 2's SM response to supposed injuries claiming they're incorrect. I believe those SM posts are deleted.) Took 19 minutes total and supposedly they were bragging about it after. Some indication of intent prior as they had discussed how to get away with murder (i.e. use electrician gloves and knife- quietest, put on baggy clothes after to cover blood and get out faster). It seemed like they were waiting for a reason and were presented with one. They both wiped their SM immediately after and were not active for 2 weeks. Frat boy 1 family is professional cleaner, frat boy 2 mom paralegal so they knew what not to do when questioned. There was some rumor that one of the J BFs knows all of this and is keeping hush and "playing the grieving boyfriend".

Regarding the surviving roommates, as far as I can translate there was no beef and that's why they survived.

This is "***** substantiated" by a few different users and allegedly a lot of this is well known within the frat. SX has a shady history going back to the 90s. \*allegedly\*
I don't care enough to decode this shyt.

+rep to anyone that break this down into simplistic terms.
 

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Neither did I, that was my point :dahell:
I didnt know you needed to be in the cleaning business to clean clothes :dahell:
They both wiped their SM immediately after and were not active for 2 weeks. Frat boy 1 family is professional cleaner, frat boy 2 mom paralegal so they knew what not to do when questioned. There was some rumor that one of the J BFs knows all of this and is keeping hush and "playing the grieving boyfriend".
 

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Not really. If there is DNA evidence that doesn’t match their initial alibis then you have them lying and can work back from there.

It was a party house. And they apparently rarely ever locked the sliding door due to people always going in and out. There's probably DNA from 50+ people in that house. Unless they find a murder weapon or get a confession (if these two did it of course) any decent lawyer would make slight work of such circumstantial evidence. Having so many people go in and out of that house throughout the fall semester is most likely going to screw over the investigation.
 

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This idea that the murder was going to be solved in days or weeks is just not realistic. This could take months, even a year or more to charge someone. Not sure where people get the idea that something like this is resolved so quickly. Routine gang killings can take months or years before there is an arrest or arrest/indictment.
 

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This idea that the murder was going to be solved in days or weeks is just not realistic. This could take months, even a year or more to charge someone. Not sure where people get the idea that something like this is resolved so quickly. Routine gang killings can take months or years before there is an arrest or arrest/indictment.

Pop culture presents it as if murders are easily solvable, that's all it is. There's so much murder entertainment yhat people consume, it gives the impression these things are solved easily...

I think you and I talked a few years back about this, but I also think our respective journeys thru life color our perception differently. Murder is always the hardest case to solve because the primary witness(es) is dead, so unless dudes kill someone in plain view of others or otherwise leave a trail, murders are the most difficult things to clear...

That said, while many people have shytted on Moscow PD for their handling of this case, I've felt different. While it's clear they aren't the most prepared department for a quadruple homicide, I think it's also clear they have some info they are sitting on, they've said themselves they aren't releasing all information publicly. They have FBI help too, there's like 70 muhfukkas working this shyt (MPD, ISP, FBI). They know something...

As it always is you have to be able to prove it. So I agree with you in the vein of, this investigation will take as long as it needs to until they feel they have enough there to prove murder warrants...

Where I disagree with you is that frat cats couldn't have done this. Why not? It doesn't sound implausible at all...
 

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I don't care enough to decode this shyt.

+rep to anyone that break this down into simplistic terms.
Allegedly two Frat boys plotted together to kill 3 people in the house (Ethan, Xana and Maddy). One was the Lookout and the Other did the Killing. They knew the house well and lived only a few minutes away. One of the Frat boys got into an argument with Ethan that same night, in which Ethan embarrassed him talking cash shyt. That same Frat boy had wanted to date Ethan's girlfriend (Xana) before they got together so the burn hurt even worse. The other Frat Boy wanted Maddy but she had chosen someone else as well. They never planned to murder Kaylee but she woke up in the middle of it so dude killed her.
 

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Allegedly two Frat boys plotted together to kill 3 people in the house (Ethan, Xana and Maddy). One was the Lookout and the Other did the Killing. They knew the house well and lived only a few minutes away. One of the Frat boys got into an argument with Ethan that same night, in which Ethan embarrassed him talking cash shyt. That same Frat boy had wanted to date Ethan's girlfriend (Xana) before they got together so the burn hurt even worse. The other Frat Boy wanted Maddy but she had chosen someone else as well. They never planned to murder Kaylee but she woke up in the middle of it so dude killed her.

Fuçk it

Make this the season finale for next season of Euphoria
 
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Pop culture presents it as if murders are easily solvable, that's all it is. There's so much murder entertainment yhat people consume, it gives the impression these things are solved easily...

I think you and I talked a few years back about this, but I also think our respective journeys thru life color our perception differently. Murder is always the hardest case to solve because the primary witness(es) is dead, so unless dudes kill someone in plain view of others or otherwise leave a trail, murders are the most difficult things to clear...

That said, while many people have shytted on Moscow PD for their handling of this case, I've felt different. While it's clear they aren't the most prepared department for a quadruple homicide, I think it's also clear they have some info they are sitting on, they've said themselves they aren't releasing all information publicly. They have FBI help too, there's like 70 muhfukkas working this shyt (MPD, ISP, FBI). They know something...

As it always is you have to be able to prove it. So I agree with you in the vein of, this investigation will take as long as it needs to until they feel they have enough there to prove murder warrants...

Where I disagree with you is that frat cats couldn't have done this. Why not? It doesn't sound implausible at all...


yeah bro, you phrased it all perfectly. Here's why the frat thing, and a lot of other theories are not valid, not just here but in a lot of cases that gain rampant speculation:

There is NO available actual evidence that points to them. None. It's a theory created out of entirely speculation, which is not how cases are solved. They are solved by following and interpreting the evidence. You can create a theory that the teachers at the college killed the kids, largely the same way the frats are implicated.

The source is random, not credible ,reddit reports, that follow a narrative of shock value, and "they are going to get away with it".

Third, the criminal psychology doesn't track. Frat guys can be lots of things. They can be drunks, they can be rapists, they can be great guys, and those things all at the same time. They can be great students and whatever to. But, they aren't born killers, this isn't a group like ex military, or a group of dudes just out of the pen. There is a certain level of vioence that comes from a group of men that is built on rituals, and male bonding, and competition, sure, but the idea that they killed 4 people in cold blood, is unlikely, to say the least. This is one killer. I've read dozens of books on these kinds of things, it's one killer.

So, 2, or three, much less 4, all banding together to cut up 4 women in a drunken rage? It's just not the way things work. Maybe, a beating or an accidental killing, on site, certainly rapes, can happen like that. But, organizing, while drunk, driving to the house, in the middle of the night, and stabbing four of their peers to death, over what? It's POSSIBLE, sure, but there is nothing to suggest that is what happened, as of now.
 

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It was a party house. And they apparently rarely ever locked the sliding door due to people always going in and out. There's probably DNA from 50+ people in that house. Unless they find a murder weapon or get a confession (if these two did it of course) any decent lawyer would make slight work of such circumstantial evidence. Having so many people go in and out of that house throughout the fall semester is most likely going to screw over the investigation.
Dna isn’t stagnant. Hair, blood, vomit degrades over time.

Again. It doesn’t totally matter if it’s a party house. If the person says they were in the house recently at a party and you find evidence they weren’t. They lied.

Kids nowadays have their phones on them all the time. Even if they ditched it the night of the murder if he says he was in the house two days earlier and the phone pings says nah or the social media puts them somewhere else.

It’s circumstantial but you have them in a lie.

Not to mention if you have someone else as your alibi and you find out the alibi is lying.
 
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