iceberg_is_on_fire
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Real dudes do real things. Mikey has a chance. How big, I don't know, but I give him a more of a chance than anyone around this division.
3/16 SHO PPV: Errol Spence vs. Mikey Garcia fight is ON! (IBF Welterweight Title)
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Real dudes do real things. Mikey has a chance. How big, I don't know, but I give him a more of a chance than anyone around this division.
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What do you think the percentage/likelihood is of Mikey outboxing Spence for 12 rounds and avoiding getting stopped?
iceberg_is_on_fire
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10%
This has to look like PBF vs Corrales. However, Mikey ain't Floyd and Errol is a bit better than Chico was. Hence the 10%
thats a good comparison.
none of those fights compare. SRL is ATG and his frame could easily support the jump. he was just fighting at 147 due to the names. the weight was hardly a disparity. just that one guy became famous at 147 and the other at 160. SRL fought above 160. in reality, SRL was a natural 154lber while Hagler was natural 160lber. both of their optimum weights were right around 154-158lbs. I told everyone Mosley would beat Oscar. Mosley was a different animal then and he was actually the bigger man naturally than Oscar. both of them starved themselves to stay at lower weights. Oscar was fighting at 130 as a pro while Mosley was 140 as an amateur. the fight you want to use more as an example here would be Mosley vs Wright...and he lost that!
told everyone Manny was gonna kill Oscar. Oscar was washed as fukk and coked out, plus Manny was near prime. Oscar never was good at moving his head, he was a sitting duck that fight. Roy vs Ruiz....gap in talent just too wide and 25lbs isnt a big weight difference once you get to 200lbs. HW's sometimes have 100lb weight differences.
Mikey is the better boxer but he is not the better fighter overall. Spence is fast, strong, and can crack. In the smaller weights its tough to move up 7lbs or more because its a larger percentage of your body weight. This is noticeable in the much lower weights. WW is the prime weight to get fukked up at because they have the perfect blend of speed and power.
The problem is..Mikey isnt fast enough. He can't zip in and out during the engagements. Spence likes to work. 10 str8 knockouts. If Mikey wins, hes the UNDISPUTED pound 4 pound top boxer easily.
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corrales problem was, if he cant hit you with a perfect punch, he wont throw a punch. all floyd had to do, was keep corrales feet moving, cause as long as his feet were in motion, he cant set them to punch. spence has to set his feet to punch. those are the kind of guys who, if you can outbox them, they get outboxed real, real bad.
Well we might be in store for an exposal....but not likely.
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I think the difference is though that Spence don't care about a perfect punch, he's just trying to lay hands and accumulate damage. Plus he has no problem throwing looping hits to the body so he can even touch Garcia if he tries moving to the side. Garcia will have to be full blown on his toes and nowhere close to Spence to make it to the end IMO.
Spence cuts off the ring very well and has crisp technique as far as his punches..Plus Mikey Garcia is not gonna show Spence as much movement as Mayweather.
spence is a good combination pucher. he sets up his combinations behind that nice little double jab. he likes to think his way in. he is not a guy who will just rush in and punch. thinking his way in, trying to set it all up behind that double jab, goes against the physical advantages he has. because if he thinks too much about what he wants to do in there garcia will beat him.
garcia uses the ring well. the first couple rounds you will start to see who is better at it. but you dont have to move around the ring fast. you just have to move steady. watch andre ward. you just want to force the other guy's feet to stay moving. not moving fast just moving. if his feet are in motion, even a little, they cant plant, and he cant punch.
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Thinking bout Making my first trip to Dallas for this one.
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Mikey hasn't got the speed and agility of a young Mayweather. He is a textbook dude who has a big toolkit but hasn't got what it takes to match Spence physically on any way. This isn't even the case of a great guy from a smaller division going up and trying to balance his disadvantage in power with his advantage in speed. Imo Mikey isn't faster than Spence at any weight.