23 year old Muhammad Ali vs 23 Year old Jon Jones in a street fight

[Bryan Danielson]

Deontary Wilder said he would fukked up any MMA fighter and said he ain't about talk

He said they a champ came to his gym and he beat him down and his trainer, WHY WOULD HE LIE, he didn't even bring it up Sway asked him

he put on Cain's belt and told cain he would come take it, and Cain had his head down like a bytch the whole time

NO ONE IS DISPUTING THIS ON MMA SAID AND NONE DARE TO SAY HIS NAME

so what proof do you need

go to a boxing gym and fight somebody and you will see the difference

you don't even understand what Mike Tyson did to Jon Jones in that clip, which is why you don't get why Jon Jones said "this guy would kill me"

because it's true

MMA is a glorified tough man competition it does not have the elite level of professionalism as world championship boxing

Again..... reading too much into BS

He says he would fukk up any MMA guy, MMA guys say they would fukk up Boxers, Karate cats say they'd fukk up both, Wrestlers say they could beat all up and so on and so on. Everyone says that..... what are they supposed to say.

"A champ" again what champ? Some guy in a Tapout shirt?

Putting a belt... man that some old "doing it for TV" shyt, wrestler Big Show once said he would take Floyds Belt, Floyd just held his head down

Go to a gym to fight a boxer for what? What is that supposed to prove? And what more would it prove vs going to a gym/dojo of other concentrations of fighting and fighting their guys.

Its not that I dont understand what Mike did, but I do understand at the end of the day that was no more real fighting than Lance Stephenson and Josh Smith tap boxing



I get that if people dont like MMA and prefer boxing more. But what I dont get is the cats that try to completely knock it and act like a random person with absolutely no athleticism, training, or etc could come in to the sport and be the best and that any typical boxer could just clean house.

Thats why in some ways I miss how UFC used to be in its purest form of of "cats from all concentrations fighting, no holds barred" to a degree. Its exposed a lot, the so called "tough men, got exposed quickly and the "boxers" werent as successful as those would expect.

I dont get the MMA and Toughman comparison when essentially and ironically Toughman is basically amatuer boxing..... because its true

MMA is more "full contact" fighting boxing limited hand to hand.

About Toughman:

Organizers say they put on between 100 and 150 fights throughout the country every year.

According to Toughman, its fights represent one-third of all boxing events. Organizers say clever marketing is the secret to their success.

"If we called it 'Amateur Boxing with Shorter Rounds and More Gear,' how many tickets would we sell?" said Little Rock, Ark.-based promoter Lydia Robertson.

"But P.T. Barnum and a little showmanship _ Art Dore decided to call it the Toughman _ and we have become a victim of our own marketing," Robertson said.
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[Master Teacher]

Again..... reading too much into BS

He says he would fukk up any MMA guy, MMA guys say they would fukk up Boxers, Karate cats say they'd fukk up both, Wrestlers say they could beat all up and so on and so on. Everyone says that..... what are they supposed to say.

"A champ" again what champ? Some guy in a Tapout shirt?

Putting a belt... man that some old "doing it for TV" shyt, wrestler Big Show once said he would take Floyds Belt, Floyd just held his head down

Go to a gym to fight a boxer for what? What is that supposed to prove? And what more would it prove vs going to a gym/dojo of other concentrations of fighting and fighting their guys.

Its not that I dont understand what Mike did, but I do understand at the end of the day that was no more real fighting than Lance Stephenson and Josh Smith tap boxing



I get that if people dont like MMA and prefer boxing more. But what I dont get is the cats that try to completely knock it and act like a random person with absolutely no athleticism, training, or etc could come in to the sport and be the best and that any typical boxer could just clean house.

Thats why in some ways I miss how UFC used to be in its purest form of of "cats from all concentrations fighting, no holds barred" to a degree. Its exposed a lot, the so called "tough men, got exposed quickly and the "boxers" werent as successful as those would expect.

I dont get the MMA and Toughman comparison when essentially and ironically Toughman is basically amatuer boxing.

MMA is more "full contact" fighting boxing limited hand to hand.

You are a moron, no wonder you believe in this MMA shyt

Deontary Wilder said he beat up a MMA champ who came to his gym with his crew, saying names is against gym etique

why would a world boxing champion say this on a radio show and lie

also nobody from the MMA world as called him a liar and said it wasn't true so it was must be true



here's him treaing cain like his little brother, surprise he didn't give him a wedgie





you dont know shyt about boxing, posting some fukking basketball players who can't fight to save their life as some kind of exmaple

you are a fukking moron

 

[Bryan Danielson]

You are a moron, no wonder you believe in this MMA shyt

Deontary Wilder said he beat up a MMA champ who came to his gym with his crew, saying names is against gym etique

why would a world boxing champion say this on a radio show and lie

also nobody from the MMA world as called him a liar and said it wasn't true so it was must be true



here's him treaing cain like his little brother, surprise he didn't give him a wedgie





you dont know shyt about boxing, posting some fukking basketball players who can't fight to save their life as some kind of exmaple

you are a fukking moron

Youre a moron for disrespecting professionals in their craft. Cats that have been MMA training and doing whatever for as many years as boxers been training and doing whatever boxers in their craft.

Ha.... oh now its "gym etiquette" now?

No body called Big Show a liar too and no one spoke about that either way. Whats that gotta do with anything, what wait does that hold, and who gives a shyt? Maybe he did beat up some Tapout shirt wearing guys in a small gym in Muscle Shoals, Al. But so what? If an And1 ball players were to beat a team of D2 and or NBDL level deep bench players in a bball game does that mean they could beat NBA allstars?

Cain? And, thats just his personality he is always like that, what does Cain gotta do with anyone else in his sport? This is just so stupid

If you can say I dont know shyt about boxing, yet you dont know me. Thats fair and fair game, I can say you dont know shyt about MMA. But then its a moot point? Not even sure where you're trynna go with that? Weird. I posted some fukking basketball players who can't fight to save their life as an example to illustrate how what Jones and Tyson did was no more epic than that.... playful sparring. You act like they was actually going hard.... fukk out of here with that, you saw Tyson HUG Jones when it was over, who really is the moron?

This is a simple discussion and its like you're taking it personal, I didnt even take any personal shots at you or try to disrespect you, not even sure why you mad (ie, resorting to name calling and ultra aggressive talk)?

I do understand some cats DO come at boxing fans like "ah ha, our sport is greater, our fighter will come in and wash yall fighters" and blah blah blah.

I'm not saying that, I actually believe its all on the individual. The boxer who comes into MMA and does some serious training could indeed be fairly successful as the same for a MMA guy that came into boxing and does some serious training. But never is gonna completely annihilate the other guys sport.

I think its been proven many times over that cats who are experts in their particular sport aint just gonna come in and beast or be at the top of another sport.

 

[Master Teacher]

Youre a moron for disrespecting professionals in their craft. Cats that have been MMA training and doing whatever for as many years as boxers been training and doing whatever boxers in their craft.

Ha.... oh now its "gym etiquette" now?

No body called Big Show a liar too and no one spoke about that either way. Whats that gotta do with anything, what wait does that hold, and who gives a shyt? Maybe he did beat up some Tapout shirt wearing guys in a small gym in Muscle Shoals, Al. But so what? If an And1 ball players were to beat a team of D2 and or NBDL level deep bench players in a bball game does that mean they could beat NBA allstars?

Cain? And, thats just his personality he is always like that, what does Cain gotta do with anyone else in his sport? This is just so stupid

If you can say I dont know shyt about boxing, yet you dont know me. Thats fair and fair game, I can say you dont know shyt about MMA. But then its a moot point? Not even sure where you're trynna go with that? Weird. I posted some fukking basketball players who can't fight to save their life as an example to illustrate how what Jones and Tyson did was no more epic than that.... playful sparring. You act like they was actually going hard.... fukk out of here with that, you saw Tyson HUG Jones when it was over, who really is the moron?

This is a simple discussion and its like you're taking it personal, I didnt even take any personal shots at you or try to disrespect you, not even sure why you mad (ie, resorting to name calling and ultra aggressive talk)?

I do understand some cats DO come at boxing fans like "ah ha, our sport is greater, our fighter will come in and wash yall fighters" and blah blah blah.

I'm not saying that, I actually believe its all on the individual. The boxer who comes into MMA and does some serious training could indeed be fairly successful as the same for a MMA guy that came into boxing and does some serious training. But never is gonna completely annihilate the other guys sport.

I think its been proven many times over that cats who are experts in their particular sport aint just gonna come in and beast or be at the top of another sport.

People don't talk name names in the gym, if you knew anything about the fight game you would know that
champs get KO'd in sparring all the time it's the code you moron

Big Show, what does he have to do with anything lol, he is a WWE wrestler lmao

Tyson hugged him because it was all love, but Jon Jones got schooled on that one and if they were fighting Tyson would've Ko'd him with easily lmao before Jones could even grab him lmao

see you don't understand movement

Nobody is calling Deontay Wilder a liar and says any MMA guys who talking about boxing don't talk come get some, and he already stated he took out the trash yet no one is calling him a liar in MMA community, only idiots like you would think a professional fighter who lie about something like that

he didn't say names because he has no reason to embarrass anybody unless they get out of line

 

[Remote]

I don't think Muhammad Ali would beat an elite MMA fighter like Jon Jones.
I mean, there are Tae Kwon Do guys who could wipe the floor with any given boxer.
You guys have to understand that being an elite boxer is amazing, but that doesn't mean that those skills transfer easily to other areas of combat.

It's like arguing that just because Michael Vick has a strong arm and could throw a football 70 yards, that he could strike out Albert Pujols. Or throw a 91 mph slider for a strike.
Comparing similar skill sets in different contexts can change everything.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

People don't talk name names in the gym, if you knew anything about the fight game you would know that
champs get KO'd in sparring all the time it's the code you moron

Big Show, what does he have to do with anything lol, he is a WWE wrestler lmao

Tyson hugged him because it was all love, but Jon Jones got schooled on that one and if they were fighting Tyson would've Ko'd him with easily lmao before Jones could even grab him lmao

see you don't understand movement

Nobody is calling Deontay Wilder a liar and says any MMA guys who talking about boxing don't talk come get some, and he already stated he took out the trash yet no one is calling him a liar in MMA community, only idiots like you would think a professional fighter who lie about something like that

he didn't say names because he has no reason to embarrass anybody unless they get out of line

Ok man... whatever.

Too much double talk... one moment big upping him saying he's being respectful for not naming names the next moment boasting with him for blatant disrespect. Maybe he did beat up some bums.... but if they bums so what? If this was someone legit in the MMA community, no way in hell this wouldve remained secret in the world. There are no secrets on the internet and not only would it got out, whomever the guy was that caught the L, his future opponents would be calling him out about it and shytting on him leading up to their fight to get in his head. If you knew anything anything about the fight game you'd know all the time people use shyt like that against their opponents.... no different from guy who opposed Floyd called out his relationship with women and so on. The media digs... there is no CODE with them, I'm sure they found out who it was and was like "fuk that shyt some tapout guys"

At the end of the day.... its talking up hype or put they name out there for pub!! Cats always lie!! Hell Pac lied about his "injury" in his Floyd fight for the reason he lost, lets not act like lying is beneath fighters

Movement? Ok man Over analyzing cats playing around... have at it

At the end of the day, cats in all of they concentrations who sacrifice and spend great amounts of time in they lives to be the best in their sport should not be disrespected by "fans" like you and me who know NOTHING about what they go through.

Boxing
MMA
Amatuer Wrestling
Fake Pro Wrestling (cuz lets be real, yes the results are staged, but the art/work/athleticism is real, no one just gonna walk in and all of a sudden start doing acrobatics off the top rope like its nothing, yet alone slam someone)
K1 Boxing
Judo
Karate
Tai Boxing
Sumo
etc

One sport may be more popular than the other sport but that doesnt mean one sport is more superior than the other.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

I don't think Muhammad Ali would beat an elite MMA fighter like Jon Jones.
I mean, there are Tae Kwon Do guys who could wipe the floor with any given boxer.
You guys have to understand that being an elite boxer is amazing, but that doesn't mean that those skills transfer easily to other areas of combat.

It's like arguing that just because Michael Vick has a strong arm and could throw a football 70 yards, that he could strike out Albert Pujols. Or throw a 91 mph slider for a strike.
Comparing similar skill sets in different contexts can change everything.

EXACTLY!!!

 

[Master Teacher]

Ok man... whatever.

Too much double talk... one moment big upping him saying he's being respectful for not naming names the next moment boasting with him for blatant disrespect. Maybe he did beat up some bums.... but if they bums so what? If this was someone legit in the MMA community, no way in hell this wouldve remained secret in the world. There are no secrets on the internet and not only would it got out, whomever the guy was that caught the L, his future opponents would be calling him out about it and shytting on him leading up to their fight to get in his head. If you knew anything anything about the fight game you'd know all the time people use shyt like that against their opponents.... no different from guy who opposed Floyd called out his relationship with women and so on. The media digs... there is no CODE with them, I'm sure they found out who it was and was like "fuk that shyt some tapout guys"

At the end of the day.... its talking up hype or put they name out there for pub!! Cats always lie!! Hell Pac lied about his "injury" in his Floyd fight for the reason he lost, lets not act like lying is beneath fighters

Movement? Ok man Over analyzing cats playing around... have at it

At the end of the day, cats in all of they concentrations who sacrifice and spend great amounts of time in they lives to be the best in their sport should not be disrespected by "fans" like you and me who know NOTHING about what they go through.

Boxing
MMA
Amatuer Wrestling
Fake Pro Wrestling (cuz lets be real, yes the results are staged, but the art/work/athleticism is real, no one just gonna walk in and all of a sudden start doing acrobatics off the top rope like its nothing, yet alone slam someone)
K1 Boxing
Judo
Karate
Tai Boxing
Sumo
etc

One sport may be more popular than the other sport but that doesnt mean one sport is more superior than the other.

I'm double talking by stating obvious facts you are oblivious too

nobody will call Deontay Wilder or liar or accept his challenge, so the truth of his words stands apparently

once again there is a reason why japan pretty much abandoned martial arts for boxing after World War II when the US soldiers were stationed there beating up all their best fighters

none of these MMA fighters are a master of any craft, the best wrestler Daniel Cormier didn't even medal let alone get a gold metal

Ronda Rousey is a medalist in judo and got out grappled by someone who is a novice in comparison in Holly Holm

it's level to this shyt, if I boxing learns how to check kicks, a kick boxer is useless, if a boxer learns how to stuff take downs, the wrestler is useless

nothing they can save them

Conor Mcgregor knocked Aldo out with a check hook because Aldo is an amateur on a feet

a real muy thai fighter has never even fought in the UFC EVER

Anderson Silva would get destroyed in a Muy Thai fight

fukking cyborg is probably the best Muy Thai fighter in MMA and she is a goddamn woman

the sport is silly

 

[baltimore]

the average boxer > average mma, karate, muay thai practitioner.. guys hate to say it or acknowledge it but its true.

the resources, time and infrastructure is just way greater than these other arts.. and not by accident.

the top fighters, athletes and trainers are all in boxing.. and it wont be until mma becomes a bigger sport and has the possibility to make you tens or hundreds of millions a fight and get sponsored by nike and all the huge corporations that will bring out the best the world has to offer and then it will still take time to refine the art of mma and what does and doesnt work at the highest levels of the sport with the highest levels of athletes and warriors participating.

so when all these threads pop up i just feel like the greatest boxers would definitely punish the greatest mma fighters so far..

 

[R=G]

This plays to Jones' strength though. No dice. But what you gotta understand is..these boxing greats KNOW HOW TO MOVE. In ways Jones has never seen.

 

[ThaGlow]

Lol yall went in on Wilder vs Cain. Didnt read it all but Deontay aint whoop no Cain Velasquez in mma lol. He says he whooped a trainer, one of the champions and a HW. He ain't name names due to respect? Aight even if that's the case, still a reach to say its Velasquez. Those three coulda been ANYBODY.

Even if it was Velasquez, they probably just rolling and Deontay just has natural fighting instincts. You don't gotta train to sprawl to know to sprawl. Ground and pound is primitive as fukk too.

As for thread..... I gotta say as impressive as Jones was at 23, I doubt he's seen hands like Ali's. Of course Ali aint seen a Jon Jones either. If both dudes square up in the streets, I gotta give it to Jones. Dude just has more options. They're both fighters. It aint like either guy will panic and get too excited. It's not 10/10 though. Jones can definitely get touched.

 

[BlackSuperman]

23 year old Jon Jones used wrestling in a street fight back then so he easily takes it.