I am not a 21 fan. I am not a megan the stallion fan. I am a fan of black culture and the black writer right to write about wtf they want. Just like everyone else.
21 Savage admits that his gang killed 30 opps during a heated argument on Clubhouse.
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I'm not interested in winning points in an argument, I'm interested in a critical analysis of what we're consuming and allowing to fly under the label of "rap".
Even in your reiteration of your earlier explanation about what this song is, you're still unclear about why the song isn't anti-Black. You even go on to say that I'm criminalizing instead of celebrating when the song isn't worthy of celebration. It should be condemned.
let's examine the hook:
Help me understand why Black people should celebrate him comparing a gun to an anti-Black hate group. I agree that this is language arts and it's being used to creatively communicate a message to the listener. He compares his choppa to the KKK because there's a shared understanding of the KKK's anti-Black history and he's implicitly making the connection between the words Black and nikka which is to say he's trying to communicate to us that the people his guns will be pointed at will be Black people.
I'm not using this song to indict all Black music, that makes no sense at all, I'm speaking specifically about this song and others that are anti-Black. The only propaganda here is the content that perpetuates violence, in this case gun violence while the leading cause of death for Black males between the ages of 1-44 is homicide. I'm not trying to criminalize Black creativity, I'm pointing out that there's too much criminality in Black creativity and THAT is what's anti-Black.
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No. You do use this song to indict all black music. Because you make the point, beyond this song, and then constantly use this song as YOUR ONLY evidence and point. Because its a pre made point, to push the narrative to one side of the conversation. Which is the definition of propaganda.
There is no criminality in black creativity. That is anti black!
They can write about whatever they want. nikkas with jobs, and nikkas like you, say how much you hate nikkas all the time. You on here talking about how much you hate a certain kind of nikka! right now!
Gun violence is the leading cause of death inthe world. Its criminalizign and corny to make it a black problem and THEN criminalize black art because the world has a gun problem. That is self hate. That is corny. The rap music isnt creating the guns. or the problems the guns are used to solve. That is criminalization. You look at black people like a racist. Like a problem.
It’s been past time for us to stop criminalizing admitted criminals and start celebrating them.
Anyone who says otherwise isn’t really Black like that.
Anyone who says otherwise isn’t really Black like that.
Maybe you have me confused with someone else because there's no shortage of anti-Blackness in music to cite as evidence. The 21 Savage song just happens to be one of the more egregious examples. Songs that celebrate Black death are anti-Black. We've got brothers out here calling on the names of Black males that were murdered by other Black males in their songs and there's no amount of hand waving we can do to allow this to be dismissed as "creative arts".
Let me share a graph to help hammer the point home for the next time you want to frame gun violence as an "everybody" problem.
Black people are not the problem
Being born black is not a curse
Black Art is not a crime
Black Men are not Criminals
IF you think something is wrong with black people, YOU are whats wrong with black people
Being born black is not a curse
Black Art is not a crime
Black Men are not Criminals
IF you think something is wrong with black people, YOU are whats wrong with black people
Maybe you have me confused with someone else because there's no shortage of anti-Blackness in music to cite as evidence. The 21 Savage song just happens to be one of the more egregious examples. Songs that celebrate Black death are anti-Black. We've got brothers out here calling on the names of Black males that were murdered by other Black males in their songs and there's no amount of hand waving we can do to allow this to be dismissed as "creative arts".
Let me share a graph to help hammer the point home for the next time you want to frame gun violence as an "everybody" problem.
Wow you really are gonna use four chan memes. That is insane. You really are a self hating racist.
The firearm homicides by race are WHY its in the music... The music isnt the cause. The music is oral tradition and art. The music saves lives.
That is first
Secondly, four chan statistics I happen to be well seasoned in. You got the right one! I argue with racist for fun! Any where in the world, where there are people that live in similar distance and socio economic conditions as black people, there is increased crime and violence. Blacks are not predisposed to gun violence, you racist. Rap music doesnt cause gun violence you racist. I know 30 million rap fans that didnt shoot anybody from 1990 - 2023 you fukking racist. GOD you make my skin crawl lmaooo.
That is first
Secondly, four chan statistics I happen to be well seasoned in. You got the right one! I argue with racist for fun! Any where in the world, where there are people that live in similar distance and socio economic conditions as black people, there is increased crime and violence. Blacks are not predisposed to gun violence, you racist. Rap music doesnt cause gun violence you racist. I know 30 million rap fans that didnt shoot anybody from 1990 - 2023 you fukking racist. GOD you make my skin crawl lmaooo.
I was under the impression that you were a serious poster, maybe misinformed but at least arguing from a position of honesty. To dismiss this as a meme shows me exactly what type of time you're on.
I'm not making the claim that rap music causes gun violence, I am making the claim that Black music that celebrates and promotes this sort of violence is anti-Black.
Gun Death Rate Nears Three-Decade High, With Men at Most Risk
Homicides of Black males and suicides among white males pushed up firearm fatalities.
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bytch saying "Serious poster" doesnt work on me? The fukk. You cant dismiss me because you think your four chan racist statitics makes some point that you cant even make. YOu dont even have the balls to say YOU THINK BLACK PEOPLE ARE PREDISPOSED AND VIOLENT. Which is what you are saying.I was under the impression that you were a serious poster, maybe misinformed but at least arguing from a position of honesty. To dismiss this as a meme shows me exactly what type of time you're on.
I'm not making the claim that rap music causes gun violence, I am making the claim that Black music that celebrates and promotes this sort of violence is anti-Black.
Gun Death Rate Nears Three-Decade High, With Men at Most Risk
Homicides of Black males and suicides among white males pushed up firearm fatalities.
Black music celebrates and narrates the black story. There is a gun problem in america that is not exclusive to blacks. That graph is not real. There is not 60 deaths for every 100,000 blacks. That chart is fake as fukk. Its a four chan racist meme and you a racist for spreading they propaganda. You can google it yourself. Its not real. You a clown for that.
Just leave the site.
The first sentence in your article says 15 deaths for every 100,000.... Your chart says 60. And YOU SPREAD IT. CAUSE YOU A SELF HATING CLOWN
I literally shared the source data in my post, it's even quoted in your reply to me and you're still calling it a fake chart. There's not much more for me to say here because you're clearly not firmly rooted in reality.
I'll leave you with actual study in case you believe the writer of the WSJ article has a bias. pay special attention to the section titled Maximum and Mean Firearm Fatality Rates.
Trends and Disparities in Firearm Fatalities in the United States, 1990-2021
This cross-sectional study investigates rates of firearm fatalities by intent, age, sex, race, ethnicity, and urbanicity of individuals killed from 1990 to 2021.
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Creating art that glorifies violence against Black people specifically may be art but it is also anti-Black and that's not really up for debate.
What are you saying. Im reading these things as you post them and maybe you thought I wouldnt read them. They contradict you.I literally shared the source data in my post, it's even quoted in your reply to me and you're still calling it a fake chart. There's not much more for me to say here because you're clearly not firmly rooted in reality.
I'll leave you with actual study in case you believe the writer of the WSJ article has a bias. pay special attention to the section titled Maximum and Mean Firearm Fatality Rates.
Trends and Disparities in Firearm Fatalities in the United States, 1990-2021
This cross-sectional study investigates rates of firearm fatalities by intent, age, sex, race, ethnicity, and urbanicity of individuals killed from 1990 to 2021.
Creating art that glorifies violence against Black people specifically may be art but it is also anti-Black and that's not really up for debate.
One said 15 your fake chart said 60. Explain that.
One says this
"There were 1 110 421 firearm fatalities in the US from 1990 to 2021 (952 984 among males [85.8%] and 157 165 among females [14.2%]; 286 075 among Black non-Hispanic individuals [25.8%], 115 616 among Hispanic individuals [10.4%], and 672 132 among White non-Hispanic individuals 60.5%]"
And you say rap. Explain that.
You thought I wasnt gonna read them. You thought you can post your racist propaganda and it just slide. Explain why all your facts contradict any point of rap causing any violence in our community?I literally shared the source data in my post, it's even quoted in your reply to me and you're still calling it a fake chart. There's not much more for me to say here because you're clearly not firmly rooted in reality.
I'll leave you with actual study in case you believe the writer of the WSJ article has a bias. pay special attention to the section titled Maximum and Mean Firearm Fatality Rates.
Trends and Disparities in Firearm Fatalities in the United States, 1990-2021
This cross-sectional study investigates rates of firearm fatalities by intent, age, sex, race, ethnicity, and urbanicity of individuals killed from 1990 to 2021.
Creating art that glorifies violence against Black people specifically may be art but it is also anti-Black and that's not really up for debate.
How does anything you posted prove that 21 savage is being anti black in his creativity.
"Since 1990, rates of gun-related homicide have been highest among Black men aged 20 to 24, the analysis said, with 142 fatalities per 100,000 people in this group in 2021—a 74% increase since 2014. Homicide rates are as much as 23 times higher among Black men and as much as nearly four times higher among Hispanic men than among white men, the analysis said."
This is the only point you can make. But they produce more guns. They have gun factories. They have drugs. Project housing, which is more humans per square mile than any other demographic. There a multitude of factors other than rap. Rap is telling the story of this stuff happening, not causing it. IT is the outlet. It is keeping us in the loop. It is our history, instead of their critical race theory.
This is the only point you can make. But they produce more guns. They have gun factories. They have drugs. Project housing, which is more humans per square mile than any other demographic. There a multitude of factors other than rap. Rap is telling the story of this stuff happening, not causing it. IT is the outlet. It is keeping us in the loop. It is our history, instead of their critical race theory.