2024 U.S. Presidential Election Thread: Donald Trump wins & will return to the White House; GOP wins U.S. Senate & U.S. House

[No1]

Aight I am at work now and and later tonight when I have tIme I will sit down and shyt on all your points. I just want to say ahead of time you’re absolutely wrong on each of these paragraphs, so you or any other poster doesn’t assume the gap in response is acceptance or agreement with rewrite of history.

I’m not wrong on anything and I didn’t read your post past here. Unlike most people, I can cite to what I’m talking about (and have done it for a decade so better be able to do that like you’re in school writing an essay) and I was working in DC at the time. So miss me with whatever you’re about to respond with. Any a$$hole who tells me they’re going to “shyt” in my points when I watched black folks lose their homes isn’t a person I want to engage with.

Organizations were legitimately upset with the Obama administration and calling him a fake progressive by the summer of 2009. The second you said you’re going to “shyt” on my points versus having an educated conversation I know what type of revisionist cartoon BS you’re about to be on and I’ve done that too much on here so save your time and keep that response to yourself. I know you’re amped to “show people that you don’t agree.” I frankly don’t give a fukk and no longer have the patience to pretend that I do. Be mad that I give measured takes instead of making the DNC heroic - that’s for you to figure out with your spirit.

I’m not here to debate settled topics for the 1000th time. Obama literally was trying to make a grand bargain with Republicans that made Harry Reid say what the fukk are you doing? Like Nîgga please. I hope you’re better at your job than following political history.

 

[BK The Great]

That’s bullshyt he got his case dropped.

 

[Loose]

Not enough talk about how vp debate normalizes Vance , terrible preparation and gameplan. Should have went all in making him look terrible

 

[PoorAndDangerous]

Not enough talk about how vp debate normalizes Vance , terrible preparation and gameplan. Should have went all in making him look terrible

It helps that Vance actually has a personality and can talk, people saw him speak and were like “wait this is who they keep calling weird??”

 

[XannyWarbucks]

It helps that Vance actually has a personality and can talk, people saw him speak and were like “wait this is who they keep calling weird??”

Not enough talk about how vp debate normalizes Vance , terrible preparation and gameplan. Should have went all in making him look terrible

It’s more that the party killed Walz for no reason other that they wanted moderates. He had the highest appeal going in and then they stopped having him call them weird and talking shyt because they wanted to get right wingers. Walz being neutered was one of the dumbest things they did because it completely throws all the GOP stupidity back at them.

Those dudes were going insane over being called weird.

As for Vance, he didn’t come off as anything but a typical suck up/climber.

 

[Outlaw]

It’s more that the party killed Walz for no reason other that they wanted moderates. He had the highest appeal going in and then they stopped having him call them weird and talking shyt because they wanted to get right wingers. Walz being neutered was one of the dumbest things they did because it completely throws all the GOP stupidity back at them.

Those dudes were going insane over being called weird.

As for Vance, he didn’t come off as anything but a typical suck up/climber.

Whoever was making the decisions to neuter Walz and to court republicans need to never be involved in a Presidential campaign again

 

[Wargames]

No, I saw his actions. I think you believe you can read his mind, which is why you've convinced yourself he wanted the public option despite his actions showing otherwise.


When you don't ever bring it up while you are in office and let the health care insurance industry write your legislation, I am going to go with that versus what you are attempting here.

You post blames the Democrats for the failure of the public option not making it into the ACA, but won't co-sign what you wrote. Make it make sense.

I saw his actions too and you can read whatever the fukk into it you want, there is reality and then there is your TikTok feed. He wasn’t going to get a public option in, he struggled to get the ACA in because of how much embedded resistance there was too it and we might still see the republicans kill it out of spite.

My biggest concern is we’ll see a bunch of people say “we’ll kill it so we can get a version with a public option” completely ignoring how it barely passed and has struggled to stay afloat through attacks and it doesn’t have something that everyone in the healthcare industry, republicans, and rich democrats hate.

 

[Wargames]

Barack Obama was the President of the United States. When we say "he didn't want (x)" we don't care what he felt in his heart or mind, we care about what political capital he spent on bringing it to fruition. We're not judging him for entry to heaven, we're assessing his tenure as President. And we know he didn't spent the appropriate political capital on getting a public option enacted.


I don't know which people you're referring to when you talk about the Democrats being fought tooth and nail, but if you're talking about the masses, the Democrats bring a lot of this opposing pressure on themselves by purporting to be for certain principles or goals but not actually pushing for those principles and goals when they have the opportunity to.

What appropriate political capital did he not spend? There were democrats who voted for the ACA who knew they were going to lose their seat because the republicans had made the whole thing Toxic for a large swath of Americans. They still barely got it because the Blue Dog Dems were antsy on the whole thing. Republicans told a lot of people the ACA would be bad for them by making it that they couldn’t see there doctor, and the public option was just welfare for the the poor.

Why We're Breaking With the Blue Dogs on the Public Option

We understand the fear of many insured Californians that health care reform will revoke their current doctors and coverage. But the grim reality is that many more insured people will lose their coverage without reform.

www.huffpost.com

To the point to this day Idiots who benefit from the ACA still want is rescinded. I don’t know how plugged in you was in 2008-2010, but your clearly either have an agenda To disparage the ACA, or are being purposely misleading, or don’t know wtf you are talking about.

Once again I hope people aren’t played like stupid children like they have been in recent years and support the dismantling of the ACA with the belief that something can be made to replace it that would include the public option. The way to get the public option is to add it to the ACA not destroy the ACA and do it again.

 

[Wargames]

I’m not wrong on anything and I didn’t read your post past here. Unlike most people, I can cite to what I’m talking about (and have done it for a decade so better be able to do that like you’re in school writing an essay) and I was working in DC at the time. So miss me with whatever you’re about to respond with. Any a$$hole who tells me they’re going to “shyt” in my points when I watched black folks lose their homes isn’t a person I want to engage with.

Organizations were legitimately upset with the Obama administration and calling him a fake progressive by the summer of 2009. The second you said you’re going to “shyt” on my points versus having an educated conversation I know what type of revisionist cartoon BS you’re about to be on and I’ve done that too much on here so save your time and keep that response to yourself. I know you’re amped to “show people that you don’t agree.” I frankly don’t give a fukk and no longer have the patience to pretend that I do. Be mad that I give measured takes instead of making the DNC heroic - that’s for you to figure out with your spirit.

I’m not here to debate settled topics for the 1000th time. Obama literally was trying to make a grand bargain with Republicans that made Harry Reid say what the fukk are you doing? Like Nîgga please. I hope you’re better at your job than following political history.

Nikka kiss my ass then, cause I am going continue to shyt on your wrong points. Put me on ignore I don’t care cause I will quote your dumb ass anyway and refute your bullshyt With me on ignore, I am not pretending about shyt. You can stop reading this post too now.

The worst thing anyone can do is ignore the lessons of the past. Cause then motherfukkers get Okey Doked into doing stupid shyt like thinking the ACA Wasn’t a bytch to get passed and that it didn’t gut the democrats majority to do it. Social media will have people thinking it can be replaced by a public option forgetting that it damn near didn’t happen with out it,

The reason Reid told Obama to shut the fukk up was Reid and Schumer had damn near pulled every trick they knew to get the ACA ready to be voted on party lines alone including people who knew his was going to probably cost them there seat. Obama then tried to bring the republicans in last second by saying it was going to happen without them and Reid told him fukk that its not going to get done unless we do it as is on party lines cause the Republicans are not going to help us, and the base is thrilled either.

https://archive.ph/5yLj8

Obama wasn’t trying to bring republicans in because he wanted a different bill, he didn’t want it too be voted on party lines, cause it was clearly going to cost him Congress. Which it did. The ACA was unpopular as fukk and that had nothing to do with it not having a public option. People had been told on Fox News that it was going to take their doctors away and limit the medicine they could get. Some was told it was going to replace Medicare.

The shyt was damn near impossible to do and I haven’t seen a president burn through their political capital to do something of that size since LBJ and the great society.

 

[Pressure]

People don't vote for the VP.

 

[Bunchy Carter]

Kamala Harris tells allies to keep her options open: 2028 or California Guv race - Times of India

US News: A former campaign aide said Harris does not need to rush to decide whether she wants to run for something again in the next six months. All she needs

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Let's get it

 

[mastermind]

I saw his actions too and you can read whatever the fukk into it you want, there is reality and then there is your TikTok feed. He wasn’t going to get a public option in, he struggled to get the ACA in because of how much embedded resistance there was too it and we might see the republicans kill it out of spite.

TikTok didnt exist in 2009 when I saw this all happen in real-time.

He didn’t have an interest in it because he didn’t even put it on the bargaining table. He never gave those Democrats the chance to vote against it.

And if those Rahm Emmanuel Dems were going out anyway due to the ACA, then why not go all the way? What did he have to lose?

 

[Wargames]

TikTok didnt exist in 2009 when I saw this all happen in real-time.

He didn’t have an interest in it because he didn’t even put it on the bargaining table. He never gave those Democrats the chance to vote against it.

And if those Rahm Emmanuel Dems were going out anyway due to the ACA, then why not go all the way? What did he have to lose?

They floated the idea out there and the conservative Democrats said no. Rahm Emmanuel is a piece of shyt but the public option not being there was cause they could barely get enough votes for the ACA without. As we just saw in this current election Americans have no fukking idea what benefits them and just believe republicans because they like how they say it.

Also Democrats on all parts of the spectrum lost seats the prior midterm election and regular election because people voted for republicans because they thought the ACA was some sort of socialist plan that would take away their ability to choose their own doctors. If anything if they hadn't lost their seats maybe the public option would have passed, but the democrats gave people affordable health care against their wishes. The democrats who kept their seats weren't going to add the only real “socialist” part of the plan after seeing just the mention of it costing their colleagues their seats.

It was a massive undertaking to pull and was domestically the biggest thing passed by a Democrat since LBJ supported the end of segregation.

 

[Smoking With Cigarettes]

I already told you from the first reply (and the second)

To be more specific my original point was that who cares what white women do to "make dating harder for men" when over half voted for Trump. I didnt think it warranted this amount of keystrokes since as black men we know theyre the devil but most white women dont stand for shyt besides themselves. So you replying with the exact % breakdown and a cmon breh made me wonder, who cares? I know HYON doesnt happen in a vacuum but if theres any group that can stfu and figure out how to deal with the consequences of this shyt its white women

 

[mastermind]

They floated the idea out there and the conservative Democrats said no. Rahm Emmanuel is a piece of shyt but the public option not being there was cause they could barely get enough votes for the ACA without. As we just saw in this current election Americans have no fukking idea what benefits them and just believe republicans because they like how they say it.

Also Democrats on all parts of the spectrum lost seats the prior midterm election and regular election because people voted for republicans because they thought the ACA was some sort of socialist plan that would take away their ability to choose their own doctors. If anything if they hadn't lost their seats maybe the public option would have passed, but the democrats gave people affordable health care against their wishes. The democrats who kept their seats weren't going to add the only real “socialist” part of the plan after seeing just the mention of it costing their colleagues their seats.

It was a massive undertaking to pull and was domestically the biggest thing passed by a Democrat since LBJ supported the end of segregation.

Like I said prior, he never put it on the public table. The Democrats shot themselves on this, and crashed out anyway. Why not try it first, even with the Media causing some Americans to lose their minds over it? What did he have to lose?