Biden's ride or die supporters was content on Biden doing nothing because Biden not doing anything was better than anything Trump was doing. They didn't real realize playing stalling tactics and half ass attempts at doing something was playing into the Republicans hands.
And the Democratic Party chose to bail out Wall Street instead of homeowners. You know how many people I know were jaded by that and didn’t show up to the 2010 midterms? It literally led to the rise of occupy Wall Street and the resurgence of progressives in the Democratic Party. Warren and Sanders are not relevant today if the Democratic Party took a different route. You need to expect more from the people you vote for. You’re so used to getting nothing and Republicans being satan that you consider “stability” AKA normalcy as progress.
That plan was dead because even the White House didn’t support it. They didn’t even support the public option. Let’s not pretend otherwise. It’s the equivalent of Susan Collins being concerned.
Yes, MAGA is tied to Obama being black but saying he had a perfect run as president is
. Obama left the White House with an entire generation of people scared for their future and wondering if they would ever get out from student loan debt to own a home. Presidents are defined by the battles they are willing to take on and while Obama was a better president than most who were awful - he was clearly in over his head when he first got elected.This is pointless because much every living president is a Republican. You’re comparing him to literal trash. Biden did some progressive things and then also watched as a literal genocide happened in the Middle East that strongly contributed to his party losing the 2024 presidential election, which may doom a generation.
I just read this article and came away with nothing Substantive. Just vibes analysis. What am i missing?
Aight I am at work now and and later tonight when I have tIme I will sit down and shyt on all your points. I just want to say ahead of time you’re absolutely wrong on each of these paragraphs, so you or any other poster doesn’t assume the gap in response is acceptance or agreement with rewrite of history.And the Democratic Party chose to bail out Wall Street instead of homeowners. You know how many people I know were jaded by that and didn’t show up to the 2010 midterms? It literally led to the rise of occupy Wall Street and the resurgence of progressives in the Democratic Party. Warren and Sanders are not relevant today if the Democratic Party took a different route. You need to expect more from the people you vote for. You’re so used to getting nothing and Republicans being satan that you consider “stability” AKA normalcy as progress.
That plan was dead because even the White House didn’t support it. They didn’t even support the public option. Let’s not pretend otherwise. It’s the equivalent of Susan Collins being concerned.
Yes, MAGA is tied to Obama being black but saying he had a perfect run as president is
This is pointless because much every living president is a Republican. You’re comparing him to literal trash. Biden did some progressive things and then also watched as a literal genocide happened in the Middle East that strongly contributed to his party losing the 2024 presidential election, which may doom a generation.
History will not be kind to him. The only reason it isn’t worse right now is because of legacy news media. 10 years from now people will openly have vitriol towards him and his ego. Biden also failed at the same thing the Obama administration failed at - communicating what they were doing. They treat being President like being the CEO of a company where you send out company wide emails. No one who isn’t predisposed to supporting them or liking them can name any of that progressive shyt you’re kicking. Sad, but true.
I dont think its groundbreaking analysis, but underscores that the Dems running as party of status quo and "establishment" has caused substantial defections from their traditional coalition. The numbers as well are striking and speak for themselves:
| Race | 2012 | 2024 | NET SHIFT |
|---|---|---|---|
| Black | D +91 95 - 4 | D +72 85 - 13 | R +19 |
| Hispanic | D +39 69 - 30 | D +10 54 - 44 | R +29 |
| Asian | D +35 67 - 32 | D +18 58 - 40 | R +17 |
| Other | D +18 58 - 40 | D +1 49 - 48 | R +17 |
| Race and Education | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| White, no degree | R +24 37 - 61 | R +36 31 - 67 | R +13 |
| Nonwhite, BA+ | D +58 78 - 20 | D +37 67 - 30 | R +21 |
| Nonwhite, no degree | D +64 82 - 17 | D +27 63 - 35 | R +37 |
| Age | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| 18 to 29 | D +25 61 - 36 | D +11 54 - 43 | R +14 |
| 30 to 44 | D +9 53 - 44 | D +2 49 - 48 | R +8 |
| 45 to 64 | R +1 49 - 50 | R +9 45 - 54 | R +8 |
A) Obama didn’t want it. We know this because he never talked about it while in office. The same way you never heard Biden talk about the public option while in office despite running on it. These people mislead and lie to get votes.
I pretty much agree with everything you've written here...but none of it is denying my point that Obama/Biden didn't do anything "impossible". You've just laid out the difficulties they would have faced in doing something actually grand and transformative. So they capitulated to get smaller, easier "wins" like the ACA. I don't even know if I could call Obama's response to the housing crash a smaller win, in fact. He was just prioritizing the wealthy and financial interests over the everyday person because he blindly accepted Timothy Geithner's fundamentally conservative trickle-down worldview and advice.
13% of MAGA - a portion large enough to deny Trump any victory - voted for Obama, so the idea that it's just a movement of people who are motivated by racist hatred of Obama on the basis of him being black would have to rely on the ridiculous notion that these voters either didn't know Obama was black when they voted for him, or that Obama converted them to racists during his tenure as President. The latter would be especially baffling if Obama "near did a perfect run as President". You say they're just white cocksuckers crying because a black man dared to be President when a sizeable portion of them put him in the White House. The obvious reality is that MAGA has an appeal beyond just pure racism, as the racial voting results from this past election show, and there has been a lot of political realignment over the past 8 years, the seeds of which were planted over the past few decades. Throwing your hands up and saying "it's all just racism!" is a seductive argument because it's so easy and doesn't require any actual analysis or thinking, but it's also what leads to Democrats getting their asses kicked by reality.
I don't see what bearing this is supposed to have on this discussion.
Trump made a fine deal to get out of Afghanistan and Biden executed it successfully. It was one of the most successful withdrawals from a lost war in history. The idiots who lambast Biden for it don't know history and just refused to accept America lost that war, many of them don't think there should have been a withdrawal at all and are laundering their neocon beliefs through nonsense procedural complaints and appeals to juvenile emotions. It was infuriating watching Biden come under attack for that.
If you're talking about doing more "good", then yeah perhaps Obama in his 8 years did more than the other living Presidents. But Bush, Trump and perhaps Clinton were all far more consequential Presidents than Obama, just in the opposite direction. I probably agree with your point on Biden pushing the most progressive domestic policy since LBJ. Just goes to show how absolutely pathetic our politics have become.
We're getting to go through fat, damn Nixon because the Democrats have consistently shown themselves to not be a meaningfully countervailing force against Republican - and now MAGA - power.
It's because the Democrats over-index on traditional media and celebrities. Republicans have a stranglehold on voices spreading their message on social media.
So you can read Obama’s mind? It’s not that he didn’t want to put himself out there to get it shut down, it’s “He didn’t want the option at all”.
No, I saw his actions. I think you believe you can read his mind, which is why you've convinced yourself he wanted the public option despite his actions showing otherwise.
When you don't ever bring it up while you are in office and let the health care insurance industry write your legislation, I am going to go with that versus what you are attempting here.
You post blames the Democrats for the failure of the public option not making it into the ACA, but won't co-sign what you wrote. Make it make sense.
Barack Obama was the President of the United States. When we say "he didn't want (x)" we don't care what he felt in his heart or mind, we care about what political capital he spent on bringing it to fruition. We're not judging him for entry to heaven, we're assessing his tenure as President. And we know he didn't spent the appropriate political capital on getting a public option enacted.
I don't know which people you're referring to when you talk about the Democrats being fought tooth and nail, but if you're talking about the masses, the Democrats bring a lot of this opposing pressure on themselves by purporting to be for certain principles or goals but not actually pushing for those principles and goals when they have the opportunity to.
