2024 U.S. Presidential Election Thread: Donald Trump wins & will return to the White House; GOP wins U.S. Senate & U.S. House

[Nkrumah Was Right]

if Israel dissolved as a country tomorrow I wouldn’t care. My number one concern was America avoiding it’s descent into fascism

Sorry my friend. Baked into the cake.

Presidential democracy?

Oligarchic elites who support the right to crush trade unionists and socialists?

Nostalgia about imperialism?

Long despised minority population?

Liberal political class that seeks compromise with fascism?

(November 13, 2024)

 

[Outlaw]

I see no reason to assume the Uncommitted Leadership doesn't realize Biden won't do shyt. Like every activist group, they have an obligation to go out and make their case, exposing the hypocrisy or inaction of the people in power to allow the people and History a transparent look at the actual state of play. He's calling Biden's bluff because in Biden's memoirs he's gonna lie and say he did all he could do. And yet again, as a point of record, the Palestinian people were literally led to slaughter by Joe Biden and his administration providing material and political support to the actual, active genocide of Palestinians. You people keep trying this sleight of hand where you substitute Biden's culpability for Trump's and I'm not going to allow that. Joe Biden was President during the Palestinian genocide of 2023-2024, not Donald Trump.


You wonder why? It's quite obviously because the Democratic coalition is more susceptible to anti-war activist pressure, even if that pittance of pressure is ultimately swamped out by the pro-war contingent in the Democratic coalition. The Republicans don't even have an anti-war junior partner to step over, although this seems to be changing.

Palestinian people were led to slaughter by Hamas. There was no in your words Biden orchestrated genocide before October 7th.

So this is all about making Biden looking like a bigger piece of shyt?

We get it. Biden was a failure from protecting all of us from Trump, however that doesn’t excuse the uncommitted movement from putting pressure on the Trump administration (who is already engaging in diplomacy) to get Bibi to stop the genocide.

Every insult you want to levy at Biden I preemptively concede, now explain to me why the uncommitted movement is unwilling to apply pressure to the Trump administration but yet they were willing to vote for him?

 

[RickyGQ]

That shot at dems

 

[King Kreole]

So this is all about making Biden looking like a bigger piece of shyt?

This is all about accurately assigning blame and not lapsing into comfortable mythologies about how our political faves are heroes of history so we have a chance at fixing the problem moving forward.

Every insult you want to levy at Biden I preemptively concede, now explain to me why the uncommitted movement is unwilling to apply pressure to the Trump administration but yet they were willing to vote for him?

I don't know where you're getting that the uncommitted movement is unwilling to apply pressure to the Trump administration when the Trump administration doesn't even exist yet. The man will not be sworn in until next year, Joe Biden is the current President of the United States. And they didn't endorse Donald Trump, so I don't know where you're getting that they were advocating voting for him. You're telling on yourself with these assumptions.

But I repeat, you can only apply pressure at vectors susceptible to pressure. The Republican Party is not on its face a political project ostensibly dedicated to human rights and Liberal values, so they face no threat of hypocrisy from pursuing evil, genocidal policies. It's the Democrats who have a softer underbelly that can be prodded by appeals to human rights, even if those appeals are ultimately subsumed by more powerful interests in the Democratic coalition. There are other, non-direct vectors of protest pressure that can be applied during Republican administration. But y'all keep asking Palestinian rights protestors to bang their heads against the wall of MAGA because you don't actually care about any underlying issue or creating positive change, it's all just a game of elections to y'all. If Harris won and her administration took the exact same positions Trump's will take, it would be silence from y'all.

 

[Outlaw]

This is all about accurately assigning blame and not lapsing into comfortable mythologies about how our political faves are heroes of history so we have a chance at fixing the problem moving forward.


I don't know where you're getting that the uncommitted movement is unwilling to apply pressure to the Trump administration when the Trump administration doesn't even exist yet. The man will not be sworn in until next year, Joe Biden is the current President of the United States. And they didn't endorse Donald Trump, so I don't know where you're getting that they were advocating voting for him. You're telling on yourself with these assumptions.

But I repeat, you can only apply pressure at vectors susceptible to pressure. The Republican Party is not on its face a political project ostensibly dedicated to human rights and Liberal values, so they face no threat of hypocrisy from pursuing evil, genocidal policies. It's the Democrats who have a softer underbelly that can be prodded by appeals to human rights, even if those appeals are ultimately subsumed by more powerful interests in the Democratic coalition. There are other, non-direct vectors of protest pressure that can be applied during Republican administration. But y'all keep asking Palestinian rights protestors to bang their heads against the wall of MAGA because you don't actually care about any underlying issue or creating positive change, it's all just a game of elections to y'all. If Harris won and her administration took the exact same positions Trump's will take, it would be silence from y'all.

If this is about accurately assigning blame then why don’t you acknowledge Hamas for starting the conflict or acknowledge Trump for coordinating with Bibi to prevent a ceasefire?

The Trump administration is forming right now. This is the perfect opportunity for the uncommitted movement to apply
pressure on Trump to make it politically taxing to appoint ghouls like Huckabee and Stefanik

 

[King Kreole]

If this is about accurately assigning blame then why don’t you acknowledge Hamas for starting the conflict or acknowledge Trump for coordinating with Bibi to prevent a ceasefire?

I don't acknowledge Hamas for starting the conflict because they did not start the conflict.

I do acknowledge private citizen Trump coordinating with Bibi. I don't know what relevance that has on an assessment of the actions and inactions of the sitting President. It would perhaps be relevant if the activist demand was for Biden to do things outside of his purview, such as changing Bibi's mind/heart or waving a magic wand to end the war and bring about about a Palestinian state overnight, instead of the actual activist demand for Biden to pursue an arms embargo on Israel and withdraw America's unconditional support and shielding of Israel in the international community. These are things that Trump and Bibi cannot stop Biden from doing.

The Trump administration is forming right now. This is the perfect opportunity for the uncommitted movement to apply
pressure on Trump to make it politically taxing to appoint ghouls like Huckabee and Stefanik

You think the people who chose Mike Huckabee and Elise Stefanik to be nominated by Trump are going to give a rat's ass about the Uncommitted Movement's pressure or political tax? They bank in a different currency.

 

[Micky Mikey]

Don't let dems off the hook. They went so far left, other trannies voted for trump. Make that make sense

Harris didn't say shyt about trannies in her entire campaign. She ran to the center as much as she possibly could. Anyone that concern about such a small minority of the population has been thoroughly propagandized.

People who vote for Trump are at the same level of cognitive development as he is. Which is pretty low. I think its just time to admit that the average voter just isn't all that intelligent and is susceptible to misinformation. Dems don't have to lower their standard of morals and ethics to appeal to these voters. Trashing and dehumanzing the trans community isn't necessary to win an election.
They do need to stop allowing Republicans to define them and setting the narrative.

Trump got roughly the same amount of votes as he did in 2020. Dems under performed with their base and highly doubt it was because 10 million people were upset about trannies. Voters for whatever reason didn't show up. My guess is that it was a mix of them being uninspired, widespread ignorance and her being a black women.

 

[CrimsonTider]

I don't acknowledge Hamas for starting the conflict because they did not start the conflict.

I do acknowledge private citizen Trump coordinating with Bibi. I don't know what relevance that has on an assessment of the actions and inactions of the sitting President. It would perhaps be relevant if the activist demand was for Biden to do things outside of his purview, such as changing Bibi's mind/heart or waving a magic wand to end the war and bring about about a Palestinian state overnight, instead of the actual activist demand for Biden to pursue an arms embargo on Israel and withdraw America's unconditional support and shielding of Israel in the international community. These are things that Trump and Bibi cannot stop Biden from doing.


You think the people who chose Mike Huckabee and Elise Stefanik to be nominated by Trump are going to give a rat's ass about the Uncommitted Movement's pressure or political tax? They bank in a different currency.

Get this pro Hamas shyt out of here

 

[Tony D'Amato]

Harris didn't say shyt about trannies in her entire campaign. She ran to the center as much as she possibly could. Anyone that concern about such a small minority of the population has been thoroughly propagandized.

People who vote for Trump are at the same level of cognitive development as he is. Which is pretty low. I think its just time to admit that the average voter just isn't all that intelligent and is susceptible to misinformation. Dems don't have to lower their standard of morals and ethics to appeal to these voters. Trashing and dehumanzing the trans community isn't necessary to win an election.
They do need to stop allowing Republicans to define them and setting the narrative.

Trump got roughly the same amount of votes as he did in 2020. Dems under performed with their base and highly doubt it was because 10 million people were upset about trannies. Voters for whatever reason didn't show up. My guess is that it was a mix of them being uninspired, widespread ignorance and her being a black women.

Stop it. The best ad thru the entire campaign was her advocating sex changes for inmates

 

[Micky Mikey]

Stop it. The best ad thru the entire campaign was her advocating sex changes for inmates

But it was something she said years ago. It was stupid but politicians say a lot of dumb things. There is always something that can be dug up and used against someone. It was an effective ad for people already leaning towards voting for Trump but is it the reason why 10 million voters decided to stay home? I don't think so.

 

[Boonapalist]

I think a large swath of white people did leave the Dems because of racial resentment. I also think you have to factor in how bad the 1970s was for people as the country started deindustrialization, Japan and South Korea manufactured goods better and cheaper than Americans and OPEC became a force causing an energy crisis.

Saying it was only due to the civil rights movement misses the whole story.

The Dems chose neoliberalism starting with Jimmy Carter’s presidency.

And despite that, the opening was there as Barack Hussein Obama won a large chunk of working class whites votes back in 2008 and Bernie was winning them in ‘16 and ‘20.

Neoliberal Policies Associated With Reaganomics Actually Started With Carter

Historian David N. Gibbs, author of “The Revolt of the Rich,” says we mustn’t whitewash President Carter’s record.

truthout.org

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

This is gonna get ugly 1929 style.

Listen Trumps economy won’t kick in until sometime in 2025/26… Same how he took credit for Obama economy until Covid lmaoo

Biden’s economy will still humm along for another 2-3 years before the bottom falls out dude to Trump and gop policy’s so like say start now saving as much money as you can.. don’t buy anything major

 

[Json]

Listen Trumps economy won’t kick in until sometime in 2025/26… Same how he took credit for Obama economy until Covid lmaoo

Biden’s economy will still humm along for another 2-3 years before the bottom falls out dude to Trump and gop policy’s so like say start now saving as much money as you can.. don’t buy anything major

Dude is actively trying to destabilize the government.

Even if he just sticks people in jail. Raiding migrant workplaces is going to turn thing bad quick. The tariffs won’t kick in for a year if companies are able to import parts earlier.

The chances of a government shutdown are way higher. Trump has no incentive to compromise.

 

[The Burning]

We're literally watching the literal fascist takeover of America and those with the power to do something are just letting it happen smh

It's hard to not feel like this is it. 2028 will not be a fair election. Even if somehow they don't cheat like hell and win, there's not going to be a peaceful transition of power. They control everything.

 

[mastermind]

Do y'all actually have an independent belief on the underlying conflict or is this all being rendered through party politics to you? Like, if you believe Biden took the correct position in denying the appeals for humanity and a change in policy from the anti-genocide protestors, and you're gloating that Biden won't change course before Trump comes in, then surely you're happy that Trump is appointing people who align with that perspective and will continue Biden's trajectory on this issue. Like, the Huckabee and Hegseth nominations should make you happy because, like Biden, they believe that Israel has the unquestioned right to brutalize and obliterate the Palestinian people, and the US should not be restraining them in any material way.

These people are pro genocide and can now be mask off about it.

Edit: except @88m3 who has been at the forefront of the extermination of Muslims movement on this forum for years.