2024 U.S. Presidential Election Thread: Donald Trump wins & will return to the White House; GOP wins U.S. Senate & U.S. House

[Loose]

Holding Democratic leaders to the standard, to have to defeat or combat racisim sexism, that is an inherent part of the electorate, inherent part of the country, is another bad strategy.

The way is not pandering, it's just acknowledging what they are experiencing, and people universally experience the economy. Key with Mexican voters, Latin voters, FAMILY. Don't go too crazy about abortions. Traditional gender roles and family structures. and small businesses.

The disconnect between what average people experience as racism and what the professional class thinks are too great. The disconnect between what the average woman experiences as sexism, and what people are saying on Twitter or in Park Slope is too great.

(Grocery) prices are too high. I know it. And the American people know it.

The Biden Admin should have said that for 3 years. He wasn't going to win, but his messaging was horrific. It was directed towards almost exclusively the establishment class of the party in coastal cities. My Dad's demo. The economy is great!

Shoulda had Lina Khan fighting grocery companies instead of tech businesses

 

[wire28]

I don't want to hear shyt from anyone about the fukking "working-class" because these fukking idiots will always vote against their own interests.

Thank you. They just need a halfway decent excuse to. Or atleast they did. They don’t even need that now.

 

[the next guy]

What definition of working class are you using then? We can expand out from the stereotypical factory/plant “working class” to bartender/school teacher “working class” and regardless based on pure numbers it’s still majority white. And going further, if you use the latter definition are you saying we lost more of those people to Donald Trump?

Anyone in a working class job regardless of race or gender. Any black white latino asian that a mechanic or factory worker.

I’m saying they are starting off the game down 10 because many people are flat out or subconsciously racist. Or can have issues wedged to make them lean into those tendencies. I’m saying they need to lean into their actual base which are black people, marginalized groups and the educated (or atleast people who are smart enough to not vote for a fascist) and whoever benefits from that is a bonus. Chasing the white working class has been failing since 1964.

Again, she held court with white voters. Black men in your city didn't want her. Latinos didn't want her. Some introspection?

My race first lense is molded by the race first lense of the country I live in. I think sanders is just like a lot of educated white people that grew up in idealistic bubbles, they are prone to downplay racism. They operate from a faulty perspective. People have been saying the “working class” needs to unite for decades he isn’t saying anything new. Again it makes sense on paper, why it hasn’t happened you can list out your various reasons why it’s the dems fault I can come to a simpler conclusion based on a couple centuries of evidence.

Yet there are educated black people who want to protect their power in the party. They are made because Bernie and others dare to ask them to serve the voters. How about not bashing some black people are latinos so they vote for us next time.

This thinking would also apply to those in red states, how many black people you think don’t vote in Mississippi, LA, etc. Gary chambers got the numbers. I want them to win period, but the consequences of losing are harmful to the people I care about. I’m saying stop chasing people not interested in being in the coalition.

Agreed, but our "primary" starts in south Carolina. Why?? It's unserious.

They are being pulled in multiple directions or else they wouldn’t be choosing the directions they want to follow. You contradicted yourself in the same sentence.

Yes I agree they need to focus on that. That is a good way to unite all the factions they have and will be easier as the non incumbent. If the “working class” wants to get behind that message great but I have a feeling the usual members of that working class will and the other usual members will find a way not to, as usual.

Are they? Seems to be a pretty straight line
1) Take ownership of the economy
2) Exit ramp for Ukraine
3) Bring black men and Muslim men home.


And quit the donor money. If we think the country is so racist, stop taking their money and stop going to McDonalds.

 

[re'up]

Shoulda had Lina Khan fighting grocery companies instead of tech businesses

Has to be across the board.

Grocery companies is just a start. But yeah, harass those CEO's. Target. Walmart. Those PE firms that own apartment buildings. Bring them in for a hard conversation. Hit them a little in speeches. Part of it just a huge disconnect, and the donor class, what Democratic leaders and a lot of their voters mean when they say civility, is nothing that makes anyone uncomfortable. and look, I am ok with that, just smooth politics as usual, but the voting public is fukking DONE with that.

 

[Pressure]

The ability to downplay racism and sexism is a privilege enjoyed by those minimally impacted by it. Either because they’ve already obtained status to be impacted by it to a lesser (but non negligible) extent or those who it will never impact in the first place.

Dems basically had a sweep of nc statewide elections with all the candidates roughly matching or exceeding the vote totals received by Trump with Stein having 200k more.

Clearly it wasn’t the message here

 

[Pressure]

Holding Democratic leaders to the standard, to have to defeat or combat racisim sexism, that is an inherent part of the electorate, inherent part of the country, is another bad strategy.

The way is not pandering, it's just acknowledging what they are experiencing, and people universally experience the economy. Key with Mexican voters, Latin voters, FAMILY. Don't go too crazy about abortions. Traditional gender roles and family structures. and small businesses.

The disconnect between what average people experience as racism and what the professional class thinks are too great. The disconnect between what the average woman experiences as sexism, and what people are saying on Twitter or in Park Slope is too great.

(Grocery) prices are too high. I know it. And the American people know it.

The Biden Admin should have said that for 3 years. He wasn't going to win, but his messaging was horrific. It was directed towards almost exclusively the establishment class of the party in coastal cities. My Dad's demo. The economy is great! America's Back!

It’s easy to say this as a white man. I believe your story is different if you were black.

 

[FAH1223]

Cool. That still doesn’t hit at the crux of what he said. If anybody blue does that it’s pandering or insulting. Whether they did it in 2020 or last week. Instead you just gave props to Trump for “investing”

They are playing tee ball and we are playing in the World Series.

The point is they are investing heavily into it

And the Dems are not putting money in the right places

 

[wire28]

The point is they are investing heavily into it

And the Dems are not putting money in the right places

I think whether they invest $1 or a billy it’s going to be interpreted the same way , as pandering and/or insincere. Why that’s the case, as with most things in life, there are many reasons. But all those reasons will still lead to the same result which is all that matters.

 

[re'up]

the key is parsing what's racist, and what's not, for a divided electorate in all different walks of life? how do you do that? Telling someone something is racist when they are not feeling it like that. Telling women this is sexist, when they are ambivalent about it.

Like that shyt about "whether women like it it or not" I know women across races and classes, they don't give a fukk about someone saying that. They would say it too.

 

[the next guy]

no need to downplay racism and sexism. It’s inherently a part of how folks determine who to trust and want to get behind.

The ability to downplay racism and sexism is a privilege enjoyed by those minimally impacted by it. Either because they’ve already obtained status to be impacted by it to a lesser (but non negligible) extent or those who it will never impact in the first place.

We don't, but let's be clear: When other minorities are saying no, it's time to take a look in the mirror. If the country is racist, why run at all? It was us too.

Honestly, the message was also incoherent. The economy is not actually bad, but people feel it is. So tell them why.

 

[the next guy]

no one is saying Mark Robinson lost because of racism...

 

[Pressure]

We don't, but let's be clear: When other minorities are saying no, it's time to take a look in the mirror. If the country is racist, why run at all? It was us too.

Honestly, the message was also incoherent. The economy is not actually bad, but people feel it is. So tell them why.

Dems weren’t campaigning on the racism.

 

[Pressure]

no one is saying Mark Robinson lost because of racism...

Everyone here is saying mark robinson lost because he’s black. The shyt he says was pretty much in lock step with what Trump said.

Trump didn’t campaign for him because he’s black.

This the same Trump who went to the Matt for Roy Moore:

Trump Defends Roy Moore, Citing Candidate’s Denial of Sexual Misconduct (Published 2017)

President Trump said Alabama voters should not support Doug Jones, the Democratic candidate for the Senate. Mr. Trump declined to say whether he would campaign for Mr. Moore.

www.nytimes.com

 

[the next guy]

Everyone here is saying mark robinson lost because he’s black. The shyt he says was pretty much in lock step with what Trump said.

I actually think he lost because he's a pervert, but racism obviously exists.

Dems weren’t campaigning on the racism.

True. The other black candidates running in NC won for what its worth. This was about Biden and Kamala's attachment to him.

 

[Pressure]

I mean we have folks who go to the range every week spending hundreds on ammo and range time, driving a 14mpg truck, but a 1 dollar increase of egg prices is what pushed them over the edge?