2024 U.S. Presidential Election Thread: Donald Trump wins & will return to the White House; GOP wins U.S. Senate & U.S. House

[MeachTheMonster]

I know I keep saying this, but Kamala lost because of who she is, not her messaging or pandering or whatever. People aren't being real with themselves.

You're not going to win over racists by offering them a good job and healthcare. That shyt does not work, they'll vote against their own interest every time so the people they hate won't benefit. And this is from a Bernie supporter who wants progressive policies.

You aren't going to get them by moving to the right either. Between a Republican and Republican-lite people will just vote for the Republican.



Dems just need to radically up their social media game and focus on getting people who stayed home to vote. Trying to kiss the asses of white Trump voters (which is really what people mean when they say "working class") is a terrible political strategy and never works.

Yup if they need to take anything away from the other side is extreme pandering to the people at home.

Everybody else will fall in line. Just like lots of republicans may be turned off by trump extremism but they still fall in line,

Dems need to be unapologetically left. Hold homeless people rally’s. Pass out money. Actually BE socialist.

Need an extreme dem/liberal to get the untapped voter pool on the left energized.

 

[XannyWarbucks]

Is anyone besides me just...not interested in the post-mortem discussion on this?


At least for right now. Because the takes have been horrible.

Takes are going to be awful for quite a bit, but there's no cope like "but the popular vote" so it should come to conclusion a lot sooner. The fact is that he's been running politics for the past ten years. The only guarantee is that his policies will be end up being wildly unpopular and his cabinet will in-fight for who gets what. The one thing stopping a full takeover is the fact that these people are selfish and have a need for self-gratification.

 

[Black Panther]

Yup. People were OD'ing hard on the "contrarian" talk.

I know I was against the contrarianism because of what I understand about conservatives.

When it comes time to accomplish their goals, they all fall in line. Belief in hierarchy is core to most conservative ideals so people shouldn't be surprised that folks who found Trump distasteful still supported him.

Folks who are left-of-center tend to fall apart and destroy our own over obnoxious pessimism. Former Senator Al Franken is a perfect example of that.

 

[Frump]

I really don’t think progressives are cut out for politics.

it’s like they forget what the word politics definition is

You have to meet voters halfway wheter they are stupid ignorant hateful whatever you need some of their votes unfortunately

So you have two choices you can do things the “right way” don’t pander to anyone on the fence and dismiss them and continue to lose elections and put marginalized people like trannies in danger or you could do whatever it takes to win elections so you can continue to protect their rights

So wheter you think it’s goofy for these people to overreact to some of the tranny stuff is meaningless they do overreact and you need their votes

So when people bring up trannies in sports you can say “we protect the trans community and their rights and we think this is a overblown issue that rarely happens but yes we think it’s dangerous for someone with a man’s bone density to fight a women”

When there is video of a tranny giving a kid a lap dance in school Dems can come out and say:

“We protect trans rights to the fullest and we do not think this is something that happens much at all or is reflective in anyway of the trans community but we disavow anyone giving children lap dances”

It’s not fukking hard!

But if you think that’s going too far and not the “right thing to do” and it’s more important to virtue signal and lose elections then get across the finish line by any means necessary so you can continue to make sure trans people are protected you’re entitled to that

But don’t be shocked if it backfires

 

[CrimsonTider]

I'm sick of all this talk about "we need a liberal Joe Rogan!" "Democrats need their own big podcast influencer!" talk. Not only is it dumb as shyt, it wouldn't even fukking work the way liberals think it would.

I agree but Dems need to go on the shows. It makes no sense why Dems aren’t on Rogan and Adin Ross streams

I get why Kamala didn’t do it because she doesn’t possess that type of political ability. But the Walz, Newsoms, and Buttgiegs, of the party would have these people eating out the palm of their hands.

Even a younger Biden would’ve went on these red pilled shows and countered the ridiculous rhetoric

 

[mastermind]

But there should be money there. The DNC and mega donors should be flooding that space with money. The days of journalist getting your message out is largely over

Why would a corporation or wealthy person give money to people who say they should be taxed to hell? That makes no sense.

The RNC also doesn’t give money directly to conservative online media, corporations do.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Why would a corporation donate money to people who say they should be taxed to hell? That makes no sense.

The RNC also doesn’t give money directly to conservative online media, corporations do.

That’s not the argument. It’s that the higher taxes would lead to growth which will ultimately benefit them anyway.

Corporations need increased demand more than they need a lower tax rate

Well the dnc needs to pay surrogates that are younger and not doing traditional media

 

[Trust Me]

Also next election cycle maybe a little less clowning of @FAH1223 for trying to keep us informed with polls, data, and information. Breh was just tryna show us the possibilities that could happen but mob arrogance had us in here acting like jackasses

@FAH1223 is a good dude, but at the bold.

 

[Black Panther]

I'm sick of all this talk about "we need a liberal Joe Rogan!" "Democrats need their own big podcast influencer!" talk. Not only is it dumb as shyt, it wouldn't even fukking work the way liberals think it would.

The majority of "liberals" (really just anyone left of center) aren't in community with each other.

 

[Loose]

Also next election cycle maybe a little less clowning of @FAH1223 for trying to keep us informed with polls, data, and information. Breh was just tryna show us the possibilities that could happen but mob arrogance had us in here acting like jackasses

Had y'all i was one of the few defending him . Blue maga is a cult, denying every bit of criticism. " biden the most progressive president's of our lifetime, economy can't be bad" doo doo heads @wire28 and @BigMoneyGrip

 

[AquaCityBoy]

I agree but Dems need to go on the shows. It makes no sense why Dems aren’t on Rogan and Adin Ross streams

I get why Kamala didn’t do it because she doesn’t possess that type of political ability. But the Walz, Newsoms, and Buttgiegs, of the party would have these people eating out the palm of their hands.

Even a younger Biden would’ve went on these red pilled shows and countered the ridiculous rhetoric

I agree with all this. Dems would be better off going on the Joe Rogans, Theo Vonns and Logan Pauls instead of trying to make their own, who would at best just create an echo chamber for them and at worst would actually criticize them from the left.

You don't need a 'liberal Joe Rogan.' Just go on regular Joe Rogan. He's not argumentative or politically knowledgeable enough to push back that much, and they'll look stronger going into the 'lion's den' of those types of podcasts.

 

[Loose]

I'm sick of all this talk about "we need a liberal Joe Rogan!" "Democrats need their own big podcast influencer!" talk. Not only is it dumb as shyt, it wouldn't even fukking work the way liberals think it would.

I agree but we need to start with abandoning twitter. Left wing voters and black folks validate twitter, needs to be a mass exodus to allow it to be the right wing echo chamber elon wants.

 

[Frump]

I agree but Dems need to go on the shows. It makes no sense why Dems aren’t on Rogan and Adin Ross streams

I get why Kamala didn’t do it because she doesn’t possess that type of political ability. But the Walz, Newsoms, and Buttgiegs, of the party would have these people eating out the palm of their hands.

Even a younger Biden would’ve went on these red pilled shows and countered the ridiculous rhetoric

They listen to progressives too much saying don’t go and talk to anyone who’s racist misogynistic transphobic or whatever but if you ignore them you let them control the narrative

They are afraid they’ll be vilified for just talking to these people

 

[Loose]

I agree with all this. Dems would be better off going on the Joe Rogans, Theo Vonns and Logan Pauls instead of trying to make their own, who would at best just create an echo chamber for them and at worst would actually criticize them from the left.

You don't need a 'liberal Joe Rogan.' Just go on regular Joe Rogan. He's not argumentative or politically knowledgeable enough to push back that much, and they'll look stronger going into the 'lion's den' of those types of podcasts.

Not sure if u seen his Fetterman interview, but joe Rogan the current Joe Rogan cannot be reasoned with . He used the interview to spew trump and elon musk talking points with gotcha moments. Kyle kulinski said it best, this Joe Rogan is not the same Joe Rogan he would go on and discuss politics with

 

[eastside313]

I know I keep saying this, but Kamala lost because of who she is, not her messaging or pandering or whatever. People aren't being real with themselves.

You're not going to win over racists by offering them a good job and healthcare. That shyt does not work, they'll vote against their own interest every time so the people they hate won't benefit. And this is from a Bernie supporter who wants progressive policies.

You aren't going to get them by moving to the right either. Between a Republican and Republican-lite people will just vote for the Republican.



Dems just need to radically up their social media game and focus on getting people who stayed home to vote. Trying to kiss the asses of white Trump voters (which is really what people mean when they say "working class") is a terrible political strategy and never works.

I was talkin to a trump voter the other night. He is a mechanic.

Him- man i can’t wait for these prices to go down.

Me- did you hear about trumps tariff policies.

Him- yeah he’s gonna make these other countries pay up

Me- that’s not how tariffs work. We go back and forth. I tell him to google how tariffs work

Him after 5 minutes- man this can’t be right. Trump wouldn’t do this if it’s gonna raise prices.

Me

Me- switches conversion to taxes. Yo i know you a mechanic and i do taxes. Do you know why you can’t deduct the price of your tools no more. I know that was a nice size deduction for you 10 years ago. Yeah trumps tax cuts changed that. The business can deduct it but you the worker can’t. So yeah he took money out of your pocket and now the prices you waiting to go down are actually go up.

Ask him does he have kids. Yeah he’s got 4. Yo you know that expanded tax credit kamala was pushing coulda put 50k in y’all pocket over a 4year period

Him