2024 U.S. Presidential Election Thread: Donald Trump wins & will return to the White House; GOP wins U.S. Senate & U.S. House

[NobodyReally]

He’s going over the top but there is a point being put out there that can’t be ignored

What is it to gain from a political capital perspective by pandering so much to transgenders? This was a miscalculation by the dems because even those these people don’t matter in any real way the republicans was able to take votes from the Dem based on this

I really don't understand this point of view. Democrats don't champion transgenders. Republicans and specifically Trump republicans have socially constructed this narrative, but I don't see evidence of it anywhere. What Republicans do is attack transgendered people, who represent less than 2% of the population, and then when anyone tries to come to the defense of the people being attacked, Republicans point the finger and say "see, look they're championing these people, they want to put them in classrooms with our kids". That's not what's going on though, people are just defending transgendered people from threats to completely eliminate their existence. That's basic human rights, and I have yet to see a Democrat center transgender rights in their campaign or even push policy just for and only for transgender, but to hear the right tell it, that's the #1 priority for Democrats and y'all are eating that shyt up. It reminds of when white people call Al Sharpton a race hustler because he actually defends black people who are victims of racial violence. The act of defending someone becomes the problem, and no one discusses what brought about the actual need for the defense, which is the attack.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Yea like @XannyWarbucks alluded to.. I don’t remember Kamala openly campaigning for trans anything. She might have gone as far as saying something along the lines of ‘we should love everyone’ on some kumbaya shyt, but she never campaigned on it.

I think everyone’s looking for someone/something to blame because we’re hurting (most of us at least) .. and people might be onto something.. but love her/hate her/feel indifferent about her.. Kamala made this a lot closer than anyone imagined. The reason she lost boils down to the fact that she’s a woman.. and if that wasn’t bad enough, she was a woman of color.

You’ve gotta understand.. Jesus can be resurrected and come out telling the conservatives how backwards their way of thinking is, and they’d turn on him, himself right then and there.

Like I’ve said many many times.. it’s a disease.

I don’t think she lost because of trans messaging at all

I just think the useless pandering in 2019 & 2020 came back to haunt them and Kamala had no counter for those attack ads

 

[XannyWarbucks]

Doubt this is gonna happen

 

[CrimsonTider]

I really don't understand this point of view. Democrats don't champion transgenders. Republicans and specifically Trump republicans have socially constructed this narrative, but I don't see evidence of it anywhere. What they do is attack transgendered people, who represent less than 2% of the population, and then when anyone tries to come to the defense of the people being attacked, they point the finger and say "see, look they're championing these people, they want to put them in classrooms with our kids". That's not what's going on though, people are just defending transgendered people from threats to completely eliminate their existence. That's basic human rights, and I have yet to see a Democrat center transgender rights in their campaign or even push policy just for and only for transgender, but to hear the right tell it, that's the #1 priority for Democrats and y'all are eating that shyt up. It reminds of when white people call Al Sharpton a race hustler because he actually defends black people who are victims of racial violence. The act of defending someone becomes the problem, and no one discusses what brought about the actual need for the defense, which is the attack.

This sounds championing transgenders to the American public. That’s the problem here

 

[XannyWarbucks]

I don’t think she lost because of trans messaging at all

I just think the useless pandering in 2019 & 2020 came back to haunt them and Kamala had no counter for those attack ads

They won in 2020 an stopped a full takeover in 2022. They probably pandered more back then.

Most importantly, politics like this ends up being added to leftist/progressive politics. We just saw Hillary and Kamala try to appeal to the right and fail both times. So, we want people to be more right? shyt is nonsense.

 

[CrimsonTider]

I told a lot of this forum’s fools this on in that Brianna Joy Grey thread. There is no money in leftist online media, so how can they be grifter?

But there should be money there. The DNC and mega donors should be flooding that space with money. The days of journalist getting your message out is largely over

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Harris was set up for failure….white liberal women aint really really fukk with Kamala like that unless they were forced to

 

[eastside313]

I don’t think she lost because of trans messaging at all

I just think the useless pandering in 2019 & 2020 came back to haunt them and Kamala had no counter for those attack ads

All that gay chit was not a focal point of Kamala campaign and i was pleasantly surprised. Cause that chit used to piss me off.

 

[Smoking With Cigarettes]

Also next election cycle maybe a little less clowning of @FAH1223 for trying to keep us informed with polls, data, and information. Breh was just tryna show us the possibilities that could happen but mob arrogance had us in here acting like jackasses

 

[acri1]

I know I keep saying this, but Kamala lost because of who she is, not her messaging or pandering or whatever. People aren't being real with themselves.

You're not going to win over racists by offering them a good job and healthcare. That shyt does not work, they'll vote against their own interest every time so the people they hate won't benefit. And this is from a Bernie supporter who wants progressive policies.

You aren't going to get them by moving to the right either. Between a Republican and Republican-lite people will just vote for the Republican.



Dems just need to radically up their social media game and focus on getting people who stayed home to vote. Trying to kiss the asses of white Trump voters (which is really what people mean when they say "working class") is a terrible political strategy and never works.

 

[acri1]

Also next election cycle maybe a little less clowning of @FAH1223 for trying to keep us informed with polls, data, and information. Breh was just tryna show us the possibilities that could happen but mob arrogance had us in here acting like jackasses

Yup. People were OD'ing hard on the "contrarian" talk.

 

[Black Panther]

Is anyone besides me just...not interested in the post-mortem discussion on this?


At least for right now. Because the takes have been horrible.

 

[AquaCityBoy]

I'm sick of all this talk about "we need a liberal Joe Rogan!" "Democrats need their own big podcast influencer!" talk. Not only is it dumb as shyt, it wouldn't even fukking work the way liberals think it would.

 

[acri1]

I'm sick of all this talk about "we need a liberal Joe Rogan!" "Democrats need their own big podcast influencer!" talk. Not only is it dumb as shyt, it wouldn't even fukking work the way liberals think it would.

I don't know about a Joe Rogan, but the right will always win as long as they dominate social media, that's a rigged game.

So the left has to do something to compete.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Is anyone besides me just...not interested in the post-mortem discussion on this?


At least for right now. Because the takes have been horrible.

Well you can’t have a real post mortem analysis because the candidate that ran wasn’t voted for and only had 100 days to campaign