2024 U.S. Presidential Election Thread: Donald Trump wins & will return to the White House; GOP wins U.S. Senate & U.S. House

[Ku$h Parker]

Last Night Rally

But The Racism is Open now

Side Note:after that display,if some form of Locker Roon fukkery(say a shyt Sandwich)dont occur wit Nick Bosa9ers

 

[King Kreole]

I mean, i think you're oversimplifying the move to the center right.

Yes, Dems have moved to the center right on issues like immigration.

But Kamala is also campaigning on fighting price gouging by companies, lowering prescription drug prices, an increased child tax credit, homecare benefits for Medicare, etc.

Let's not let our narratives get in the way of the facts, some of you talk like she's running on a Joe Manchin platform.

Eh, there's nothing salient in the purported Harris agenda that would make Manchin or Romney blanch. The whole campaign is designed to make disaffected center right Republicans feel comfortable supporting her. She's not fighting for any structural change, she's making technocratic modifications to the existing system that has already ceded ground to the right on the big issues. Besides abortion, she's not talking about any big issues like universal healthcare or a major overhaul to the taxation system or or environmental catastrophe or reshaping the country or even increasing the minimum wage past the ask from last cycle. This is 3rd time in a row we're being faced with the "great fascist menace" and the end of democracy and all we're able to muster up is modestly lowering prescription drug prices and homecare benefits? Something doesn't add up here.

 

[Outlaw]

Eh, there's nothing salient in the purported Harris agenda that would make Manchin or Romney blanch. The whole campaign is designed to make disaffected center right Republicans feel comfortable supporting her. She's not fighting for any structural change, she's making technocratic modifications to the existing system that has already ceded ground to the right on the big issues. Besides abortion, she's not talking about any big issues like universal healthcare or a major overhaul to the taxation system or or environmental catastrophe or reshaping the country or even increasing the minimum wage past the ask from last cycle. This is 3rd time in a row we're being faced with the "great fascist menace" and the end of democracy and all we're able to muster up is modestly lowering prescription drug prices and homecare benefits? Something doesn't add up here.

There’s a high likelihood there’s going to be a Republican senate. Do you want her to over promise and underdeliver?

 

[CEO of Morgan Industries]

This is 3rd time in a row we're being faced with the "great fascist menace" and the end of democracy and all we're able to muster up is modestly lowering prescription drug prices and homecare benefits? Something doesn't add up here.

She's holding together a burgeoning coalition that includes high earners who think those ideas are good, but don't necessarily want or need more than that right now. Maybe mandatory paid parental leave on top of that would be amenable to a lot of these voters, but yeah.

And also, the "great fascist menace" is advocating wild shyt that is pushing those voters to the Democratic Party, so Harris isn't going to go all Jeremy Corbyn when she's trying to get those voters comfortable with voting Dem for maybe the first times in their lives.

 

[King Kreole]

There’s a high likelihood there’s going to be a Republican senate. Do you want her to over promise and underdeliver?

Overpromising and underdelivering is far preferable to underpromising and underdelivering. With the former, you are moving the overton window and building expectations in the electorate. With the latter, you're just giving up. A large part of politics is about rallying the populace behind your program, but some people think it's all about the intra-DC congressional machinations because it makes them feel like wise insiders instead of being shamefully hopeful.

 

[mastermind]

Eh, there's nothing salient in the purported Harris agenda that would make Manchin or Romney blanch. The whole campaign is designed to make disaffected center right Republicans feel comfortable supporting her. She's not fighting for any structural change, she's making technocratic modifications to the existing system that has already ceded ground to the right on the big issues. Besides abortion, she's not talking about any big issues like universal healthcare or a major overhaul to the taxation system or or environmental catastrophe or reshaping the country or even increasing the minimum wage past the ask from last cycle. This is 3rd time in a row we're being faced with the "great fascist menace" and the end of democracy and all we're able to muster up is modestly lowering prescription drug prices and homecare benefits? Something doesn't add up here.

She is running a 90s GOP campaign. It doesn’t bother me that she is running this campaign, but that people in this thread refuse to critically look at it. And the people on this forum consider themselves informed.

There is no imagination for an ideal world. Saying no to fascism is the baseline, but we should think bigger than that. Instead they support whatever the new emperor does.

 

[No1]

Overpromising and underdelivering is far preferable to underpromising and underdelivering. With the former, you are moving the overton window and building expectations in the electorate. With the latter, you're just giving up. A large part of politics is about rallying the populace behind your program, but some people think it's all about the intra-DC congressional machinations because it makes them feel like wise insiders instead of being shamefully hopeful.

I don’t think there’s any way to run a campaign catering to republicans while putting forth an agenda that you won’t be able to get passed by saying republicans won’t do it. So I’m not necessarily mad at her for that point.

 

[No1]

She is running a 90s GOP campaign. It doesn’t me that she is running this campaign, but that people in this thread refuse to critically look at it. And the people on this forum consider themselves informed.

My most compelling argument to get people to vote for Harris is that if she wins your life stays the same and if Trump wins it gets worse.

 

[Bleed The Freak]

When he loses too I hope these c00ns that have debased themselves for him have no home to go to.

 

[mastermind]

My most compelling argument to get people to vote for Harris is that if she wins your life stays the same and if Trump wins it gets worse.

And the issue is this argument is not sustainable because a growing number of people are unhappy.

 

[Trips]

But The Racism is Open now

Side Note:after that display,if some form of Locker Roon fukkery(say a shyt Sandwich)dont occur wit Nick Bosa9ers

Bosa wanted to be all up in the Kittle-Purdy interview while it was front and center. But, wanted to distance himself when he got actual interview.

 

[BK The Great]

 

[Outlaw]

My most compelling argument to get people to vote for Harris is that if she wins your life stays the same and if Trump wins it gets worse.

New housing builds, additional down payment assistance, child tax credit, new small business tax credit, tax hike on the top 1% are all policies that will make life materially better for the poor and middle class.

Kamala literally has to be more socialist than Bernie sanders to get any type of credit. Got damn. People like yall is why the left trash at messaging.

 

[BK The Great]

 

[King Kreole]

She's holding together a burgeoning coalition that includes high earners who think those ideas are good, but don't necessarily want or need more than that right now. Maybe mandatory paid parental leave on top of that would be amenable to a lot of these voters, but yeah.

Right, it's a choice to build this coalition. I agree that those voters are not right now conditioned to believe that a better world is possible, but I believe the job of political leaders is to show people the way to a better world instead of capitulating to their worst instincts.

And also, the "great fascist menace" is advocating wild shyt that is pushing those voters to the Democratic Party, so Harris isn't going to go all Jeremy Corbyn when she's trying to get those voters comfortable with voting Dem for maybe the first times in their lives.

This doesn't make strategic sense. The best, most strategic time to push left and create a strong progressive agenda is when the only alternative is a highly unpalatable right-wing extremist who has alienated the center. Those voters are never going to be more comfortable with voting Dem than right now, and we're squandering that opportunity by moderating instead of pushing. "Oh, you're uncomfortable with universal healthcare? Well you don't have a choice because the alternative is a fascist who wants to end democracy." would be the argument of a party who actually wanted universal healthcare and aren't in thrall to private insurance, but...