tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
A-Rod shouldn't be in because he thought he could get away with it after MLB got stringent with the testing.
2022 MLB Off-Season Hot Stove thread
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That is an INSANE deal for Trea Turner. He has hit 20 HRs ONCE in his career; .842 OPS for his career and .809 this past season.
Dombrowski is such a joke. Giving out straight ignorant contracts because he'll be gone in three years and won't have to deal with the wreckage. I hope to God they don't win a World Series.
Dombrowski is such a joke. Giving out straight ignorant contracts because he'll be gone in three years and won't have to deal with the wreckage. I hope to God they don't win a World Series.
Oof.
I'm not a fan of this Trea Turner contract at all.
Let's be clear about what is happening here: the Phillies are all-in to win a World Series in 2023. Turner is still a valuable hitter and a good defender. And he's a massive upgrade over Didi Gregorius and Bryson Stott.
But at the same time, Turner's OPS dropped 100 points last season from 2021 while playing on the best offense in the game. There's concern for me here that this contract looks decent for the first 3-4 years, and then it gets ugly by year 5.
For 300 million dollars, you'd think you're getting an absolute superstar. I don't see that kind of ceiling for Trea Turner. All he does is raise Philadelphia's floor. Now that may be enough. We will see. But I also view the Phillies as somewhat of the Yankees of the National League. They've got some streaky hitters and quite a bit of power. But it can betray them for weeks if things go cold.
Does it make them the front runners of the NL East? Maybe.
I think Atlanta still has just as good a team (or better) and they didn't have to commit 300 million dollars for it.
-- for anyone who thinks I am dismissing the Mets here: the Mets still haven't done anything to fix their lineup and I think that's their biggest weakness. Verlander is huge but you're still going to ask this team to win games while not scoring a lot of runs. I'm sorry but I keep telling you guys, Francisco Lindor will continue to decline, Jeff McNeil was very lucky last season, and it remains to be seen how quickly Francisco Alvarez can adapt to Major League pitching. To my knowledge they haven't figured out what to do with Left Field and 3B remains a problem.
I'm not a fan of this Trea Turner contract at all.
Let's be clear about what is happening here: the Phillies are all-in to win a World Series in 2023. Turner is still a valuable hitter and a good defender. And he's a massive upgrade over Didi Gregorius and Bryson Stott.
But at the same time, Turner's OPS dropped 100 points last season from 2021 while playing on the best offense in the game. There's concern for me here that this contract looks decent for the first 3-4 years, and then it gets ugly by year 5.
For 300 million dollars, you'd think you're getting an absolute superstar. I don't see that kind of ceiling for Trea Turner. All he does is raise Philadelphia's floor. Now that may be enough. We will see. But I also view the Phillies as somewhat of the Yankees of the National League. They've got some streaky hitters and quite a bit of power. But it can betray them for weeks if things go cold.
Does it make them the front runners of the NL East? Maybe.
I think Atlanta still has just as good a team (or better) and they didn't have to commit 300 million dollars for it.
-- for anyone who thinks I am dismissing the Mets here: the Mets still haven't done anything to fix their lineup and I think that's their biggest weakness. Verlander is huge but you're still going to ask this team to win games while not scoring a lot of runs. I'm sorry but I keep telling you guys, Francisco Lindor will continue to decline, Jeff McNeil was very lucky last season, and it remains to be seen how quickly Francisco Alvarez can adapt to Major League pitching. To my knowledge they haven't figured out what to do with Left Field and 3B remains a problem.
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Coli Prophet
A lot of what you say is true.. but a couple of questions..
1) How is Lindor gonna ‘continue to decline’ when he just had (arguably) the best season of his career?
2) How exactly was Jeff McNeil ‘lucky’ ?? You realize all he’s done since being called up is hit, right? Those two points confuse me.
Lindor had a .788 OPS. That was definitely not the best season of his career.
1. Lindor basically had 2 hot months (July and August) and was relatively just okay the rest of the season. Even in September when posting a .281 batting average, he got on base at just .311 clip -- which doesn't inspire a lot of faith and suggests that his .281 average for the month was more luck than anything. His exit velocity also dipped in 2022 and at 30 years old it's not going to get any better. Do I think Lindor is a bum? No. Is he an elite player with Tatis or Franco ability? Also no.
2. Jeff McNeil had a sub-87mph exit velocity last year which is pretty bad for a major league hitter. He also enjoyed a .353 BABIP last season. Now while BABIP tends to gravitate toward .300 over time, certain players have been able to maintain relatively higher BABIPs for many years. But Jeff McNeil doesn't fit that particular prototype as a hitter (think Ichiro Suzuki, Derek Jeter, guys like that). So it's possible that Jeff McNeil can have a good 2023 season, I just don't think it's likely to be AS GOOD as 2022. The one thing I will say about McNeil is that he doesn't strike out a ton and has an okay walk rate -- so he could be a valuable contributor to the lineup, I just think certain things have to go right, and even then I'd place him in the bottom half of the lineup.
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Coli Prophet
Point 1.. fair enough. In comparison to his other years, how far off was he production wise? I’m genuinely asking.
Point 2.. McNeil is only gonna get more dangerous as a hitter when we eliminate the shift. He gets on base and advances runners. And has a low strike out rate.
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Calling McNeil lucky is funny to say and is why you can't look at exit velocity and think that says it all. Man has a good hard hit rate and hits line drives everywhere. His only bad year was 2021.
Spidey Man
Superstar
With his analyst career with ESPN and a charm offensive, I can see him pulling in more votes than Bonds. I can just hear the mental gymnastics from writers now.
If he gets one more vote than Bonds it's a shame. He should be kept off the ballots totally if they wanna pull the ped excuse
You know what? I haven't considered the effect that the Shift changes might have for 2023. I kinda want to walk my comments back a bit.
This shift rule could affect a lot of hitters and even small changes could have big consequences. Fair point. I'll have to wait and see.
Saysumthinfunnymike
VOTE!!!
That Trea Turner deal. 
dont blame him, blame the teamThat Trea Turner deal.
the next guy
Superstar
Way too much for Turner
Can somebody explain to me why guys are leaving or not coming to the Dodgers? Bryce should have been a dodger. Max should have stayed a Dodger. They are always in but never get the guy.
Can somebody explain to me why guys are leaving or not coming to the Dodgers? Bryce should have been a dodger. Max should have stayed a Dodger. They are always in but never get the guy.