2021 USA Basketball @ Tokyo Olympics

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The Bronze still means something to countries who never got it

 

[old pig]

luka doncic sleeps with the fishes

 

[Piff Huxtable]

daaamn patty wasnt playin

if steve nash let him play free like this on the Nets

if the Nets would hire a real coach instead of Steve Nash

 

[Codeine Bryant]

@Gil Scott-Heroin

Again, none of this has anything to do with you saying a guy, who didn’t even attempt a shot in the last 3 minutes of a game, as it went from a 10 point game to a 1 point game, “shot his team out of the game.”

You’re now arguing points about his workload, ball-centric offense, teammates, etc that was never disputed in the first place.

You ran in here to get a hot take off after the France game and cited 5/18 FG and 2/9 from 3 and turn around and criticize me for being a box score watcher.

Meanwhile you continue to ignore all context and the fact that he stopped shooting the last 5 mins, only took three 3s in the second half when he knew he didn’t have it, and Slovenia closed the gap to 1 while he assisted for open looks.

It wasn’t very bad defensive rebounding allowing France extra possessions?
It wasn’t bad emotional technical fouls?
It wasn’t bad FT shooting from the whole team?

It was the guy who stopped shooting and solely distributed the most important stretch of the game “shooting them out of the game.” It’s lazy analysis.

The loss was multifactorial. It wasn’t on any one guy or play. Did he play and shoot poorly? Sure. Putting the loss on him is absurd, though. Doesn’t it speak volumes that 16-10-18 is a “bad” game for him?

As for everything else, you’re not saying anything that Mavs fans haven’t been complaining about for the past 1-2 years. Do you think it’s some bizarre coincidence that Mavs have chased Kemba, Lowry, and now Dragic in the last 24 months? Or that Mark and Donnie targeted Tyrese Halliburton last year but couldn’t trade into the slot?

For as long as his best teammate is a catch and shoot THJ, he’s going to continue pressing and doing too much.

 

[old pig]

if the Nets would hire a real coach instead of Steve Nash

nash here to stay at this point…but he has 3 superstars to hide behind that’ll ultimately make him look like he know what he’s doing

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@Gil Scott-Heroin

Again, none of this has anything to do with you saying a guy, who didn’t even attempt a shot in the last 3 minutes of a game, as it went from a 10 point game to a 1 point game, “shot his team out of the game.”

You’re now arguing points about his workload, ball-centric offense, teammates, etc that was never disputed in the first place..

I'm going to stop you right there.

As above, this is the post you quoted initially in this thread -

Unfortunately, Luka cost them that game. Overdribbling, taking too many bad shots, and just forcing possessions. And then he wonders why he's so exhausted in the 4th. He needs that shyt drilled out of him.

As I just said -

"From the very beginning, I clearly made it about what he was doing on offense, in general, not just about his shooting. The same shyt I argued with you prior to the Olympics. Don't twist my shyt."

We had this very discussion prior to the Olympics - how the fukk do you not remember this, when I just quoted the exchange we had? Don't try and pull this bullshyt like you don't know what was said because you're trying to save face.

 

[Codeine Bryant]

I'm going to stop you right there.

As above, this is the post you quoted initially in this thread -

As I just said -

"From the very beginning, I clearly made it about what he was doing on offense, in general, not just about his shooting. The same shyt I argued with you prior to the Olympics. Don't twist my shyt."

We had this very discussion prior to the Olympics - how the fukk do you not remember this, when I just quoted the exchange we had? Don't try and pull this bullshyt like you don't know what was said because you're trying to save face.

How am I trying to save face? Am I disputing that he needs to give up the ball at times and not force the issue?

The reason why I quoted you was because you came up with the “he shot his team out of the game” Ryan Hollins analysis.

All this other stuff you keep trying to deflect to is besides the point, and I’ve been aware of all of what you’re saying since 2 offseasons ago.

 

[mastermind]

why yall getting on Gobert for crying like we haven't seen people this year and for how many years cry not winning gold for their country

The Coli is full of losers.

 

[Codeine Bryant]

@Gil Scott-Heroin I’ve never heard the analysis “X player shot his team out of the game” when X player stopped shooting in crunch time to facilitate, his team pulled to within 1 point after being down double digits, X player was solely distributing during that time, and X player’s team would have won the game had his pass for a blow-by layup been converted.

You’re acting like he went full Russ and chucked his team out of the last 2 minutes. And now you’ve completely conflated the discussion to just repeating what everybody already knows about his bad habits and tendencies.

We can stop this back and forth at this point. It’s not going anywhere.

 

[HabitualChiller]

Needs to get in the gym and shore up that sorry ass defense.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The loss was multifactorial. It wasn’t on any one guy or play. Did he play and shoot poorly? Sure. Putting the loss on him is absurd, though. Doesn’t it speak volumes that 16-10-18 is a “bad” game for him?.

You're playing dumb now.

No loss is ever down to just one player/play. Ever.

When someone says a player cost his team the game, they mean it in a general sense, they don't mean that every single thing that went wrong in the game was down to that player. You're being obtuse and spamming minutiae because you don't want to come up off your stance.

This is your problem, you seem to think the ends of the box score stats justify the means. Box score stats don't tell you shyt about how a player performed; they're an arbitrary scale of finite actions that happen in a game. Scoring 16 points on 18 shots is good to you? Grabbing 10 rebounds, most of which were uncontested is somehow more of an important/impactful than other actions that aren't recorded in the box score? e.g. is an uncontested rebound more impactful than x-player defending the ball-handler around multiple screens and forcing them into a tough shot? That defensive action isn't recorded in the box score, but someone grabbing a rebound when there's no opposition player in the vicinity is recorded. But what has more value?

As I told you in our previous exchange, high individual assists =/= good offense. If someone is getting a high amount of assists in a game the only thing that it's reflective of, is that player dominating the ball; they don't tell you whether or not those assists actually led to a functional, fluid offense. Luka could have a 15-point, 5 rebounds and 4 assists game, and have a more impactful performance than having a 16-10-18 game, simply because the game doesn't exist in the box score.

As for everything else, you’re not saying anything that Mavs fans haven’t been complaining about for the past 1-2 years. Do you think it’s some bizarre coincidence that Mavs have chased Kemba, Lowry, and now Dragic in the last 24 months? Or that Mark and Donnie targeted Tyrese Halliburton last year but couldn’t trade into the slot?

For as long as his best teammate is a catch and shoot THJ, he’s going to continue pressing and doing too much.

THJ isn't just a catch-and-shoot player. He can create his own shot; he can handle the ball. And don't take that as to say that he should be running the offense, that just means he can take on more duties as a ball-handler, initiator and shot creator. KP can create his own shot and distribute. Brunson can create his own shot and distribute. JRich can create his own shot and distribute.

There's absolutely no need for Luka to control the ball more than every single player in the league when he has that type of support cast. If he was surrounded by G-League players, who have absolutely no offensive worth, then I could somewhat understand why he opts to play in that manner, but he doesn't. It's simply him developing bad habits over time to the point where now regardless of personnel he plays the same.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

How am I trying to save face? Am I disputing that he needs to give up the ball at times and not force the issue?

The reason why I quoted you was because you came up with the “he shot his team out of the game” Ryan Hollins analysis.

All this other stuff you keep trying to deflect to is besides the point, and I’ve been aware of all of what you’re saying since 2 offseasons ago.

Why do I need to keep pointing out this is the initial post you quoted of mine -

Unfortunately, Luka cost them that game. Overdribbling, taking too many bad shots, and just forcing possessions. And then he wonders why he's so exhausted in the 4th. He needs that shyt drilled out of him.

Luka’s dimes and court vision is what got them back in the game in the 4th…

18 assists, second most in an Olympic game. You’re focusing on a couple possessions in the second half where he ate up clock and gave a teammate a grenade.

16-18-10 on a day where his own shot wasn’t falling. But the loss is on him for being too selfish?

That is the start of our exchange in this thread.

Does that post of mine you quoted simply say "he shot his team out of the game", or does it speak about his offense, in general?

Why are you lying continuously about this when the evidence is all there? I know the answer why, I just want to hear you admit to it.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@Gil Scott-Heroin I’ve never heard the analysis “X player shot his team out of the game” when X player stopped shooting in crunch time to facilitate, his team pulled to within 1 point after being down double digits, X player was solely distributing during that time, and X player’s team would have won the game had his pass for a blow-by layup been converted.

You’re acting like he went full Russ and chucked his team out of the last 2 minutes. And now you’ve completely conflated the discussion to just repeating what everybody already knows about his bad habits and tendencies.

We can stop this back and forth at this point. It’s not going anywhere.

And he doubles down on the lie, once again. I fukks with you, but you're embarrassing yourself right now.

 

[BlackMajik]

Luka the loser is so overrated

 

[Codeine Bryant]

@Gil Scott-Heroin lol I’ve already admitted in this thread and others that Luka gets caught up doing too much and playing hero ball. To the point of exhaustion.

I’ve never tried to dispute this. But you think you’re Master Splinter dropping knowledge bombs in here.

I simply don’t think he lost his team the game vs France. He played poorly, but he didn’t lose them the game. I don’t contest that he could have had less counting stats and a more positive impact and better outcome. But you’ve pigeonholed me into that stance, among others.

This is exhausting. I’m catching a flight. Be easy breh.