2021 USA Basketball @ Tokyo Olympics

Would you want your stars playing in Olympics?


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Elaborate on how Luka has more nuance in his game.
Harden’s scorin game since 2018 has been

Iso from top key >straight line drive to rim

iso from top key > drive to rim + floater

Iso from top key > size up + step back 3

sure Luka shows some elements of these moves, but he also has a mid range pull up, post moves that include but not limited to post fades and he doesn’t normally attack from the same point of the court which Harden does, Harden clearly tries to keep his game as simple as possible, could almost argue he’s the face of analytic basketball
 
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Maybe he does so much because he has to do so much? Or do you not think that's valid?

Durant had Russ, Curry, and now Kyrie/Harden
Bron had to wait, but eventually got ISO-Wade and then Kyrie.
Curry had Klay and Livingston.
Harden had CP3 and then Westbrook. Now Kyrie.
Damian has CJ.
Booker has CP3
Mitchell has Conley.
Tatum had Kyrie and then Kemba.

Luka has who? Brunson? THJ? :beli:
Some of these are patently ridiculous.

I don't know why the hell you're bringing up Livingston, when he was a shell of his former self on the Warriors, and came off the bench, providing sub-playmaking and scoring. Every superstar in the league has those types of players on their respective squads. And someone like Klay can't handle the ball nor is a playmaker, which again, it doesn't really apply here because I'm talking about Luka not having to dominate the ball on every possession. Having someone like Klay wouldn't stop him from doing that. I mean, the very fact that Klay can't handle the ball and isn't a playmaker goes against your argument of Luka needing to have the ball in his hands.

Luka had:

Porzingis
THJ
Brunson
JRich

That's more than a talent in a support cast where he doesn't need monopolize the ball. All those players can work with the ball in their hands, or at the very least, play within an offense that prioritizes ball movement. They don't need Luka to set them up on every possession. I've told you this before, but this is the problem that arises when players don't have an appropriate amount of responsibility and duty in an offense, that when the time comes for them to step up, they more than likely won't because of the role they've been pigeonholed into.

They've got to learn to walk before they can run, and this past season, all they've been doing is standing, figuratively.

If the Mavs actually had an offense which was built on egalitarian principles, and all those players worked into those roles during the season, it would put them in better position to step up when the time comes, and not be thrown in at the deep end come playoff time. How are they supposed to get any better if all they're going to do is stand around waiting for catch-and-shoot and lob opportunities from Luka? You don't think that cripples them to where they can't get better and develop their games/skillsets to where they can create offense for themselves and collectively for the team? You don't think Porzingis would be a better player and provide more value, and in turn have more confidence, if there was sets that played to his strengths rather than him merely catching and shooting?
And now you're talking like he can count on Prepelic or Blazic :beli:

They should somehow grab a hold of the tempo of a game and lead an offense, something neither one of them ever did in qualifying or the 5 games thus far of the tournament? Let me guess, that's Luka's fault as well...
You'll find that nearly every single player on this Slovenian team, even the likes of Cancar, who're based in the NBA, built their skillset and games being in equal-opportunity offenses. That's how the Euros play, whereas Luka runs contrary to that where he modeled his game after LeBron. Look at every single Euro national team that's participated in the Olympics - everyone has an equal role in accordance to their ability - there's no one person dominating the ball.

It's not about them leading the offense, it's about Luka not handling the ball to the degree that he does. It seems you have a misconception that somehow them not doing it is indicative of them not capable of doing it.

Slovenia had the same drive and kick out to 3 offense the entire qualifying and Olympic run. They never had an offense like France. They don't have the personnel of France. Clearly they don't have other ballhandlers and ISO players and a paint presence like France. So why compare the two?
With all due respect, I don't think you know what you're talking about.

Slovenia has one of the best talent pools in the world, and this squad has more than enough talent where they don't need to resort to being mannequins on offense. Dragic, Tobey, Blazic, Cancar etc have all shown the ability to get buckets, in this Olympics, in the qualifiers, the Eurobasket qualifiers and in their respective Euro leagues. Never mind the fact that the majority of this team aren't catch-and-shooter players by trade. It's a drive and kick offense because that's all Luka knows how to operate in, and obviously, he's their best player, which is why they're hardly going to give the structure of the offense a makeover when Luka is just going to fall back into what he knows best. They don't have the time nor means to do it differently. Even teams like Italy, Argentina, Germany and the Czech Republic, who have less talent than Slovenia, don't have stylized offenses where one player is controlling it all.
 
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The way the Mavs deploy and lean on Luka and the way Slovenia did this tournament is not healthy. I don't think that's the fault of the player. I'm sure he'd like to sit, rest, and drink some gatorade if he was able to lol
You do realize that Luka would play the same way if he was on France, right? That's his game, and those are the habits he's developed. At this point in time, he doesn't know how to play any other way. Having better teammates isn't suddenly going to change the way he plays overnight.
 

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@Gil Scott-Heroin where was all this complaining and bytching when he dominated the ball and dropped 48 in the first game? Or when he almost had a triple double in group stage?
Or it's just hot to get the takes off now cause he lost, right?

Do you even watch regular season Mavericks games? Are you aware of how Brunson runs the offense in the regular season as opposed to how nervous, timid, and over his head he was against the Clippers?
Kleber was a knock-down 3pt shooter in the regular season. He didn't hesitate and launched 3s at will. Against the Clippers he was making unnecessary passes when he was wide open and was mortified to shoot volume.

Kristaps had his best regular season ever. And come playoffs, he stops on a fast break 2 on 1 to... launch a 3. And continues to take off-balanced fadeaways with Clippers' wing defenders on him. They put Batum/Kawhi/PG on Kristaps and he was completely neutralized.

The Mavericks roster literally all froze up and came up short collectively for those 7 games. Everyone except THJ and DFS regressed massively in that series. Luka didn't play the regular season with that kind of workload and burden, but he had to in the playoffs. Because guys like Josh Richardson couldn't even dribble the ball and the aforementioned players all were terrified of the moment. They had no issue for 72 games, but then they froze in the playoffs. They stood around and hoped Luka could save them.

Yet you will put the blame entirely on 1 player and ignore the rest of the entire team and coaching staff. Sounds reasonable.
22 year old goes for 16-10-18 on a bad shooting night and his team loses by 1. He's the reason they lost. Sounds reasonable.


Slovenia has "one of the best talent pools in the world", but this is their first ever time qualifying for the Olympics. Great stuff, man.
No shyt they've had recent success. And guess who was there for every single game? Who won MVP of that Eurobasket 2017?
They have a talent pool that got to the Bronze medal game because of Luka. Not because of the other guys.
 

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Anyways, apologies brehs for polluting the thread with Luka talk. Back to regular scheduled programming
 

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So all that panicking was for nothing. Where's everyone at who was saying that the world caught up and that the US has seen it's last days at the top:mjlol::mjlol::mjlol:? This was probably our D team and we are still going to be playing for the gold.
They all magically disappeared after we soundly beat Spain :mjlol:
It’s not the D team with people like KD and Tatum though breh
 

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You do realize that Luka would play the same way if he was on France, right? That's his game, and those are the habits he's developed. At this point in time, he doesn't know how to play any other way. Having better teammates isn't suddenly going to change the way he plays overnight.
Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, Shaq, Giannis off top would all play the same way no matter what supporting cast, system, or team they were on as well
That's basketball. Some players play their way. You surround them with what they need.

Whether you think Luka is overrated or amazing, it's clear he fits into that category of player instead of a Hakeem, Duncan, or Curry type of player.
 

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All those fast-break buckets that he created were great; all those long, drawn-out, tedious possessions where he's dribbling the air out of the ball aren't. That is something that he needs to work on. He doesn't need to be all up in the videos on every possession. Come off the ball, set screens, be a distraction running around picks and cutting down the lane and baseline. His game won't take that next step until he does that.

this is irrefutable
 

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IDK if this was posted earlier. I'm sure it was. Caught some of the USA game but missed this.
 

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If the Mavs actually had an offense which was built on egalitarian principles, and all those players worked into those roles during the season, it would put them in better position to step up when the time comes, and not be thrown in at the deep end come playoff time. How are they supposed to get any better if all they're going to do is stand around waiting for catch-and-shoot and lob opportunities from Luka? You don't think that cripples them to where they can't get better and develop their games/skillsets to where they can create offense for themselves and collectively for the team? You don't think Porzingis would be a better player and provide more value, and in turn have more confidence, if there was sets that played to his strengths rather than him merely catching and shooting?

This is probably precisely why Carlisle said to hell with this because he's a coach who has always ran an equal opportunity offense prior to Luka and now he's being told he isn't good enough and he needs to bow down and kiss the ring. :francis:
 

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Who is suppose to probably be on the roster but turned it down or couldnt play for whatever reason?

Steph, Klay, Beal, Kawhi, Kyrie, Harden..Who am I missing?


This might be our D team outside of 2-3 players :wow:
 

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Who is suppose to probably be on the roster but turned it down or couldnt play for whatever reason?

Steph, Klay, Beal, Kawhi, Kyrie, Harden..Who am I missing?


This might be our D team outside of 2-3 players :wow:

I think because LeBron and Steph in particular is not there, this team is being considered a B team and has less publicity.
 

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I think because LeBron and Steph in particular is not there, this team is being considered a B team and has less publicity.
Lebron wasnt gonna be there anyway. He already did 3 olympics and wasnt there last one. Its just a lot of top guys didnt come this go round because of injury and other shyt going on and what not. Roster would of been very different.
 
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