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Warren is really blowing up. :whew:

That said, I actually like Bernie and voted for him in the 2016 primary, so it kind of sucks to see him struggling.


IMO his biggest issue isn't his campaign strategy, is that a lot of his supporters are obnoxious towards other Dems and turn off people who might otherwise support him.



I won't lie though, I do worry about how much sexism would work against Warren in the general. Fair or not Trump would try to portray her as Hillary v2.0.

If there’s one thing about Warren I’d be concerned about in terms of governing is her lack of substance on foreign policy. @King Kreole

As far as Trump portraying her as Hillary, it ain’t gonna work. Liz doesn’t have a crazy FBI investigation on her, and the Pocahontas stuff isn’t landing anymore.
 

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If there’s one thing about Warren I’d be concerned about in terms of governing is her lack of substance on foreign policy. @King Kreole

As far as Trump portraying her as Hillary, it ain’t gonna work. Liz doesn’t have a crazy FBI investigation on her, and the Pocahontas stuff isn’t landing anymore.
Why?

Again...you gotta realize where you live.

This ain't Uruguay.
 

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Yo. holy shyt.

Sanders team is falling apart before our eyes :wow:



Sanders deputy field director in Iowa is no longer with campaign
By HOLLY OTTERBEIN and DANIEL STRAUSS

09/21/2019 02:07 PM EDT

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Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders. | Sara D. Davis/Getty Images

Bernie Sanders has parted ways with one of his deputy field directors in Iowa, the campaign confirmed Saturday.

Kevin Lata joined the Vermont senator's 2020 team after working in several positions during his first run for the White House. Lata said he left the campaign a few months ago. He is now managing Margaret Good's congressional bid in Florida.


Lata's departure is the latest in a series of staff shakeups in the critical early states of Iowa and New Hampshire. Sanders' political director in Iowa and senior adviser in New Hampshire are also no longer with the campaign, and his former New Hampshire state director has been reassigned to Massachusetts.

Some of Sanders' allies have recently sounded the alarm, saying his campaign has been hampered by personality clashes and poor communication between state operations and national headquarters.
Expectations are high for Sanders in the first-in-the-nation caucus and primary: In 2016, Sanders came within nearly a third of a percentage point of winning in Iowa, and defeated Hillary Clinton by 22 percentage points in New Hampshire.

Sanders' campaign did not immediately provide further details about the departure.

After Sanders lost in 2016, Lata worked for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.


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If there’s one thing about Warren I’d be concerned about in terms of governing is her lack of substance on foreign policy. @King Kreole

As far as Trump portraying her as Hillary, it ain’t gonna work. Liz doesn’t have a crazy FBI investigation on her, and the Pocahontas stuff isn’t landing anymore.
Yep. Whereas Bernie's deeply moralistic worldview and the political atmosphere during his upbringing allowed him to intuitively take the correct position on a lot of foreign policy issues, it's obvious that Liz never really thought about foreign policy before coming to the Senate, and just adopted the crappy conventional Democratic foreign policy stance. But she's not a dyed in the wool adherent to establishment, Blob foreign policy. And one thing that gives me hope with Warren on this issue is her remarkable ability and willingness to ingest new information, correctly adjust her worldview, then drive hard in that new direction. It's the same reason that once she studied financial politics in the 70s and 80s, she was able to expose the scam Republicans were running and became the most effective progressive warrior on that issue. She's been moving in the right direction on foreign policy, and I can see her doing the same maneuver.
 

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Outside of China tariffs, foreign policy is not a critical issue this cycle, I don’t know why this keeps coming up as a knock (not just on warren but any candidate who hasn’t dove deep here). This is very much a cycle where you can skate by on “talking points” and be fine:

Be tough but cut a deal with China
Russia = bad
Bring our troops home
Stop human rights abuses but don’t destabilize countries

Foreign policy - boom!


people are very concerned about what’s going on here, not abroad
 

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If there’s one thing about Warren I’d be concerned about in terms of governing is her lack of substance on foreign policy. @King Kreole

As far as Trump portraying her as Hillary, it ain’t gonna work. Liz doesn’t have a crazy FBI investigation on her, and the Pocahontas stuff isn’t landing anymore.

I'd like to see more substance from Warren on foreign policy, but I don't think Trump has any advantage on the issue considering he's spent the last three years embarrassing the US. :heh:

Quite frankly I think Warren just saying she won't be an embarrassment is enough in terms of the election. Anybody who actually thinks Trump is good on foreign policy is probably beyond reaching. If there's any mistake I think she (or other Dems) might make it's not pointing out how much Trump has damaged the US in terms of how the rest of the world views us. That's something Democratic politicians don't talk about NEARLY enough.


But that said, I agree, in terms of how she'd govern I'd like more specifics in terms of foreign policy.
 

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Outside of China tariffs, foreign policy is not a critical issue this cycle, I don’t know why this keeps coming up as a knock (not just on warren but any candidate who hasn’t dove deep here). This is very much a cycle where you can skate by on “talking points” and be fine:

Be tough but cut a deal with China
Russia = bad
Bring our troops home
Stop human rights abuses but don’t destabilize countries

Foreign policy - boom!


people are very concerned about what’s going on here, not abroad
Saudi-Iran is an issue that's rapidly reaching critical mass, and Israel-Palestine is a long-simmering emergency. I agree that one could win the Presidency by skating by on platitudes on these issues, but the actual foreign policy position of the candidate will matter here post-election.
 

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Saudi-Iran is an issue that's rapidly reaching critical mass, and Israel-Palestine is a long-simmering emergency. I agree that one could win the Presidency by skating by on platitudes on these issues, but the actual foreign policy position of the candidate will matter here post-election.
Israel Palestine has been at war forever, the average American doesn’t care. Saudi-Iran, another thing the average American doesn’t care about. It would have to be an all out regional “threat” to America for people to care. The last thing we cared about en masse was the Arab spring, and thats because it trailed the whole “war on terrorism”. We don’t care about the Middle East unless it directly affects America

Too many domestic things going on (inclusive of immigration) for people to care about foreign policy this cycle, people (white people) are more concerned with their war against brown people here.

Manufacturing/tariffs (really economy issues) are the only FP thing people care about right now. And the average dem/sane American simply wants a president who isn’t an embarrassment in the world stage and who won’t make deals with enemies
 
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