2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races
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And if she wins the primary i’ll vote for her.
“That’s a conversation we can have”
that’s about to be the Dems nominee favorite cop out phrase over the next year.
Just saw Tim Ryan juelzing about this on the subject of decriminalizing border crossings.
that’s about to be the Dems nominee favorite cop out phrase over the next year.Just saw Tim Ryan juelzing about this on the subject of decriminalizing border crossings.
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Veteran
He wouldn't pull out of the Iran nuclear deal? Are you sure? He is all about trying to show bad nations who is boss and make them more Western. McCain never met a war or conflict he thought the US shouldn't be involved in.You think we’d have this family separation policy if McCain was president. You think he’d be embarrassing the US all over the world? You think these racists would be emboldened ? Lol I don’t think he’d pull out of the Iran nuclear deal that has us at the brink of war.
He probably wouldn't separate families at the border but he would totally continue Obama's deportation strategy.
The rest has nothing to do with policy.
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Decriminalizing border crossings will save tax payers from spending money on illegal immigrants
“That’s a conversation we can have”
Just saw Tim Ryan juelzing about this on the subject of decriminalizing border crossings.
Decriminalizing border crossings will save tax payers from spending money on illegal immigrants
the next guy
Superstar
Biden needs to be studying the tape all month.
John Reena
Superstar
Biden rolling wit da punches.
Uncle Joe 2020
Uncle Joe 2020
ADevilYouKhow
Rhyme Reason
I will too.
ADevilYouKhow
Rhyme Reason
The Pee Tape?
John Reena
Superstar
Nap and Bernie’s Wood arguing is like having crabs and hemorrhoids.
saturn7
Politics is an EXCHANGE!!!
Why Are Democrats Taking The Unpopular Position on Health Insurance for Undocumented Immigrants?
By Tommy ChristopherJul 2nd, 2019, 10:32 am
1528 comments
Why Are Democrats Taking Unpopular Position on Health Insurance for Undocumented Immigrants?
On Tuesday morning, a CNN panel searched for a reason why Democrats would embrace the unpopular position of including undocumented immigrants in their universal health care proposals, and disturbingly failed to consider the most obvious several reasons.
On CNN’s New Day, hosts Alisyn Camerota and John Berman led a brief discussion of the moment during Thursday night’s debate when all ten Democratic presidential candidates onstage raised their hands when asked “if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants.”
Berman began by noting that in CNN’s latest poll, 59 percent of Americans said that health insurance coverage provided by the government should not be available to undocumented immigrants living in the United States, versus 38 percent who said it should.
“The poll says that a majority of voters don’t want what every candidate on stage there, pretty much, raise their hands for,” Berman said.
CNN political director David Chalian jumped right in and said that Democrats are “playing primary politics instead of general election politics,” and pointed out that “six in 10 Democrats believe that undocumented immigrants should indeed have health insurance from the government run program if there was one.”
The actual number, at 66 percent, is closer to seven in ten.
He said Democrats raised their hands because “they understand that in this moment, it’s a popular position to take with the party,” but that once a nominee emerges for a general election bid, “I imagine they’re going to have to massage that position a little bit.”
“Yeah they’re going to have to rethink that position,” Camerota said, citing a New York Post cover that blared “This is how they lose” over a photo of the hands-up moment.
“Because Americans who are struggling to pay their health care bills are like ‘Huh? You’re going to offer this to undocumented immigrants?'” Camerota said.
Political analyst John Avlon then added, “This is a perfect snapshot of the Democrats’ greatest danger, which is that this is a much further to left field then we’ve seen even compared to past Democratic fields. And Donald Trump’s entire playbook is negative partisanship, they’re radical, they’re extreme.”
With the 3 seconds that remained in the segment, former Hillary Clinton adviser and current CNN resident liberal Jess McIntosh swooped in to make several devastating points.
“If your number one issue is making sure that undocumented immigrants don’t get health care, you’re voting for Donald Trump” was the first. One weakness in polling of this type is that it doesn’t measure intensity, so there’s no way of knowing, for example, how many independents see this as a make-or-break voting issue.
“What if your number one issue is your own health care bills, do you like how they voted?” Camerota chimed in.
“Yes, and I think there’s a lot of time to explain what the programs mean,” McIntosh replied. “You can’t have a national program for health insurance that leaves millions of people uninsured, we’re going to have to pay for that in the emergency room, it’s not fair in terms of spreading diseases to leave people untreated. Those are logical arguments that don’t necessarily work in 30 second sound bites.”
Now, as much as I love Jess McIntosh, and welcome her influence and insight and skills of persuasion on CNN, she is not going to be the one to shape the coverage of this presidential race. The news anchors who interview candidates and the political directors who literally shape coverage and the political analysts who pose themselves as the centrist adult voices in the room have vastly outsize influence, and this segment is a prime example of their utter failure.
I’m sure they are all decent people, and I can almost forgive their cynicism in not considering, even for a moment, that one or more of these candidates is taking this position because it is the right thing to do.
I can even forgive leaving it to Jess McIntosh to point out that if your animating issue is denying health care to your neighbors, you are an a-hole whose vote doesn’t deserve to be courted (I’m paraphrasing, of course). That does seem to fall squarely in the realm of opinion.
But there’s little excuse for these two anchors, one political director, and one down-the-middle centrist adult-in-the-room political analyst not to even raise the question of whether this position might possibly be the right thing to do.
For example, why didn’t any of the people whose job it is to report facts bring up the fact that American taxpayers already subsidize uncompensated care for undocumented immigrants to the tune of almost $20 billion a year?
And why didn’t Chalian politically direct his polling unit to ask the more accurate question “Do you think health insurance coverage provided by the government should be available to undocumented immigrants living in the United States, or would you rather continue paying $20 billion a year in uncompensated care for those immigrants for less effective and more expensive care?”
Why didn’t anyone cite the CNN report that shows undocumented immigrants pay billions in federal taxes every year, or mention that Democrats also favor granting status to millions of undocumented immigrants that would allow even more of them to pay taxes?
And why didn’t any of them mention this other CNN report that shows that people who don’t have health insurance, who can only rely on emergency rooms for care, die by the tens of thousands? Why isn’t that in their poll question?
These aren’t opinions, they’re facts that, for the most part, have already been reported by CNN. And they are facts which, if reported in the context of a presidential campaign — the most important context imaginable — could have a real impact on the poll numbers that these folks are wringing their hands about.
I don’t know why all ten of those Democratic candidates raised their hands either, I just hope they all have the command of facts that Jess McIntosh demonstrated in those 3 seconds. And I hope the Bermans and Camerotas and Chalians and Avlons of the world read this, and do better.
Watch the clip above, via CNN.
This is an opinion piece. The views expressed in this article are those of just the author.
I'm all for Universal Healthcare for U.S. Citizens. Not for non-citizens. WTF are Dems thinking with this bullshyt?
By Tommy ChristopherJul 2nd, 2019, 10:32 am
1528 comments
Why Are Democrats Taking Unpopular Position on Health Insurance for Undocumented Immigrants?
On Tuesday morning, a CNN panel searched for a reason why Democrats would embrace the unpopular position of including undocumented immigrants in their universal health care proposals, and disturbingly failed to consider the most obvious several reasons.
On CNN’s New Day, hosts Alisyn Camerota and John Berman led a brief discussion of the moment during Thursday night’s debate when all ten Democratic presidential candidates onstage raised their hands when asked “if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants.”
Berman began by noting that in CNN’s latest poll, 59 percent of Americans said that health insurance coverage provided by the government should not be available to undocumented immigrants living in the United States, versus 38 percent who said it should.
“The poll says that a majority of voters don’t want what every candidate on stage there, pretty much, raise their hands for,” Berman said.
CNN political director David Chalian jumped right in and said that Democrats are “playing primary politics instead of general election politics,” and pointed out that “six in 10 Democrats believe that undocumented immigrants should indeed have health insurance from the government run program if there was one.”
The actual number, at 66 percent, is closer to seven in ten.
He said Democrats raised their hands because “they understand that in this moment, it’s a popular position to take with the party,” but that once a nominee emerges for a general election bid, “I imagine they’re going to have to massage that position a little bit.”
“Yeah they’re going to have to rethink that position,” Camerota said, citing a New York Post cover that blared “This is how they lose” over a photo of the hands-up moment.
“Because Americans who are struggling to pay their health care bills are like ‘Huh? You’re going to offer this to undocumented immigrants?'” Camerota said.
Political analyst John Avlon then added, “This is a perfect snapshot of the Democrats’ greatest danger, which is that this is a much further to left field then we’ve seen even compared to past Democratic fields. And Donald Trump’s entire playbook is negative partisanship, they’re radical, they’re extreme.”
With the 3 seconds that remained in the segment, former Hillary Clinton adviser and current CNN resident liberal Jess McIntosh swooped in to make several devastating points.
“If your number one issue is making sure that undocumented immigrants don’t get health care, you’re voting for Donald Trump” was the first. One weakness in polling of this type is that it doesn’t measure intensity, so there’s no way of knowing, for example, how many independents see this as a make-or-break voting issue.
“What if your number one issue is your own health care bills, do you like how they voted?” Camerota chimed in.
“Yes, and I think there’s a lot of time to explain what the programs mean,” McIntosh replied. “You can’t have a national program for health insurance that leaves millions of people uninsured, we’re going to have to pay for that in the emergency room, it’s not fair in terms of spreading diseases to leave people untreated. Those are logical arguments that don’t necessarily work in 30 second sound bites.”
Now, as much as I love Jess McIntosh, and welcome her influence and insight and skills of persuasion on CNN, she is not going to be the one to shape the coverage of this presidential race. The news anchors who interview candidates and the political directors who literally shape coverage and the political analysts who pose themselves as the centrist adult voices in the room have vastly outsize influence, and this segment is a prime example of their utter failure.
I’m sure they are all decent people, and I can almost forgive their cynicism in not considering, even for a moment, that one or more of these candidates is taking this position because it is the right thing to do.
I can even forgive leaving it to Jess McIntosh to point out that if your animating issue is denying health care to your neighbors, you are an a-hole whose vote doesn’t deserve to be courted (I’m paraphrasing, of course). That does seem to fall squarely in the realm of opinion.
But there’s little excuse for these two anchors, one political director, and one down-the-middle centrist adult-in-the-room political analyst not to even raise the question of whether this position might possibly be the right thing to do.
For example, why didn’t any of the people whose job it is to report facts bring up the fact that American taxpayers already subsidize uncompensated care for undocumented immigrants to the tune of almost $20 billion a year?
And why didn’t Chalian politically direct his polling unit to ask the more accurate question “Do you think health insurance coverage provided by the government should be available to undocumented immigrants living in the United States, or would you rather continue paying $20 billion a year in uncompensated care for those immigrants for less effective and more expensive care?”
Why didn’t anyone cite the CNN report that shows undocumented immigrants pay billions in federal taxes every year, or mention that Democrats also favor granting status to millions of undocumented immigrants that would allow even more of them to pay taxes?
And why didn’t any of them mention this other CNN report that shows that people who don’t have health insurance, who can only rely on emergency rooms for care, die by the tens of thousands? Why isn’t that in their poll question?
These aren’t opinions, they’re facts that, for the most part, have already been reported by CNN. And they are facts which, if reported in the context of a presidential campaign — the most important context imaginable — could have a real impact on the poll numbers that these folks are wringing their hands about.
I don’t know why all ten of those Democratic candidates raised their hands either, I just hope they all have the command of facts that Jess McIntosh demonstrated in those 3 seconds. And I hope the Bermans and Camerotas and Chalians and Avlons of the world read this, and do better.
Watch the clip above, via CNN.
This is an opinion piece. The views expressed in this article are those of just the author.
I'm all for Universal Healthcare for U.S. Citizens. Not for non-citizens. WTF are Dems thinking with this bullshyt?
Nap used to be cool but I had to put him on ignore, dude became unhinged
And Trump is going to make them eat those words during the general electionWhy Are Democrats Taking The Unpopular Position on Health Insurance for Undocumented Immigrants?
By Tommy ChristopherJul 2nd, 2019, 10:32 am
1528 comments
Why Are Democrats Taking Unpopular Position on Health Insurance for Undocumented Immigrants?
On Tuesday morning, a CNN panel searched for a reason why Democrats would embrace the unpopular position of including undocumented immigrants in their universal health care proposals, and disturbingly failed to consider the most obvious several reasons.
On CNN’s New Day, hosts Alisyn Camerota and John Berman led a brief discussion of the moment during Thursday night’s debate when all ten Democratic presidential candidates onstage raised their hands when asked “if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants.”
Berman began by noting that in CNN’s latest poll, 59 percent of Americans said that health insurance coverage provided by the government should not be available to undocumented immigrants living in the United States, versus 38 percent who said it should.
“The poll says that a majority of voters don’t want what every candidate on stage there, pretty much, raise their hands for,” Berman said.
CNN political director David Chalian jumped right in and said that Democrats are “playing primary politics instead of general election politics,” and pointed out that “six in 10 Democrats believe that undocumented immigrants should indeed have health insurance from the government run program if there was one.”
The actual number, at 66 percent, is closer to seven in ten.
He said Democrats raised their hands because “they understand that in this moment, it’s a popular position to take with the party,” but that once a nominee emerges for a general election bid, “I imagine they’re going to have to massage that position a little bit.”
“Yeah they’re going to have to rethink that position,” Camerota said, citing a New York Post cover that blared “This is how they lose” over a photo of the hands-up moment.
“Because Americans who are struggling to pay their health care bills are like ‘Huh? You’re going to offer this to undocumented immigrants?'” Camerota said.
Political analyst John Avlon then added, “This is a perfect snapshot of the Democrats’ greatest danger, which is that this is a much further to left field then we’ve seen even compared to past Democratic fields. And Donald Trump’s entire playbook is negative partisanship, they’re radical, they’re extreme.”
With the 3 seconds that remained in the segment, former Hillary Clinton adviser and current CNN resident liberal Jess McIntosh swooped in to make several devastating points.
“If your number one issue is making sure that undocumented immigrants don’t get health care, you’re voting for Donald Trump” was the first. One weakness in polling of this type is that it doesn’t measure intensity, so there’s no way of knowing, for example, how many independents see this as a make-or-break voting issue.
“What if your number one issue is your own health care bills, do you like how they voted?” Camerota chimed in.
“Yes, and I think there’s a lot of time to explain what the programs mean,” McIntosh replied. “You can’t have a national program for health insurance that leaves millions of people uninsured, we’re going to have to pay for that in the emergency room, it’s not fair in terms of spreading diseases to leave people untreated. Those are logical arguments that don’t necessarily work in 30 second sound bites.”
Now, as much as I love Jess McIntosh, and welcome her influence and insight and skills of persuasion on CNN, she is not going to be the one to shape the coverage of this presidential race. The news anchors who interview candidates and the political directors who literally shape coverage and the political analysts who pose themselves as the centrist adult voices in the room have vastly outsize influence, and this segment is a prime example of their utter failure.
I’m sure they are all decent people, and I can almost forgive their cynicism in not considering, even for a moment, that one or more of these candidates is taking this position because it is the right thing to do.
I can even forgive leaving it to Jess McIntosh to point out that if your animating issue is denying health care to your neighbors, you are an a-hole whose vote doesn’t deserve to be courted (I’m paraphrasing, of course). That does seem to fall squarely in the realm of opinion.
But there’s little excuse for these two anchors, one political director, and one down-the-middle centrist adult-in-the-room political analyst not to even raise the question of whether this position might possibly be the right thing to do.
For example, why didn’t any of the people whose job it is to report facts bring up the fact that American taxpayers already subsidize uncompensated care for undocumented immigrants to the tune of almost $20 billion a year?
And why didn’t Chalian politically direct his polling unit to ask the more accurate question “Do you think health insurance coverage provided by the government should be available to undocumented immigrants living in the United States, or would you rather continue paying $20 billion a year in uncompensated care for those immigrants for less effective and more expensive care?”
Why didn’t anyone cite the CNN report that shows undocumented immigrants pay billions in federal taxes every year, or mention that Democrats also favor granting status to millions of undocumented immigrants that would allow even more of them to pay taxes?
And why didn’t any of them mention this other CNN report that shows that people who don’t have health insurance, who can only rely on emergency rooms for care, die by the tens of thousands? Why isn’t that in their poll question?
These aren’t opinions, they’re facts that, for the most part, have already been reported by CNN. And they are facts which, if reported in the context of a presidential campaign — the most important context imaginable — could have a real impact on the poll numbers that these folks are wringing their hands about.
I don’t know why all ten of those Democratic candidates raised their hands either, I just hope they all have the command of facts that Jess McIntosh demonstrated in those 3 seconds. And I hope the Bermans and Camerotas and Chalians and Avlons of the world read this, and do better.
Watch the clip above, via CNN.
This is an opinion piece. The views expressed in this article are those of just the author.
I'm all for Universal Healthcare for U.S. Citizens. Not for non-citizens. WTF are Dems thinking with this bullshyt?
Why Are Democrats Taking The Unpopular Position on Health Insurance for Undocumented Immigrants?
By Tommy ChristopherJul 2nd, 2019, 10:32 am
1528 comments
Why Are Democrats Taking Unpopular Position on Health Insurance for Undocumented Immigrants?
On Tuesday morning, a CNN panel searched for a reason why Democrats would embrace the unpopular position of including undocumented immigrants in their universal health care proposals, and disturbingly failed to consider the most obvious several reasons.
On CNN’s New Day, hosts Alisyn Camerota and John Berman led a brief discussion of the moment during Thursday night’s debate when all ten Democratic presidential candidates onstage raised their hands when asked “if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants.”
Berman began by noting that in CNN’s latest poll, 59 percent of Americans said that health insurance coverage provided by the government should not be available to undocumented immigrants living in the United States, versus 38 percent who said it should.
“The poll says that a majority of voters don’t want what every candidate on stage there, pretty much, raise their hands for,” Berman said.
CNN political director David Chalian jumped right in and said that Democrats are “playing primary politics instead of general election politics,” and pointed out that “six in 10 Democrats believe that undocumented immigrants should indeed have health insurance from the government run program if there was one.”
The actual number, at 66 percent, is closer to seven in ten.
He said Democrats raised their hands because “they understand that in this moment, it’s a popular position to take with the party,” but that once a nominee emerges for a general election bid, “I imagine they’re going to have to massage that position a little bit.”
“Yeah they’re going to have to rethink that position,” Camerota said, citing a New York Post cover that blared “This is how they lose” over a photo of the hands-up moment.
“Because Americans who are struggling to pay their health care bills are like ‘Huh? You’re going to offer this to undocumented immigrants?'” Camerota said.
Political analyst John Avlon then added, “This is a perfect snapshot of the Democrats’ greatest danger, which is that this is a much further to left field then we’ve seen even compared to past Democratic fields. And Donald Trump’s entire playbook is negative partisanship, they’re radical, they’re extreme.”
With the 3 seconds that remained in the segment, former Hillary Clinton adviser and current CNN resident liberal Jess McIntosh swooped in to make several devastating points.
“If your number one issue is making sure that undocumented immigrants don’t get health care, you’re voting for Donald Trump” was the first. One weakness in polling of this type is that it doesn’t measure intensity, so there’s no way of knowing, for example, how many independents see this as a make-or-break voting issue.
“What if your number one issue is your own health care bills, do you like how they voted?” Camerota chimed in.
“Yes, and I think there’s a lot of time to explain what the programs mean,” McIntosh replied. “You can’t have a national program for health insurance that leaves millions of people uninsured, we’re going to have to pay for that in the emergency room, it’s not fair in terms of spreading diseases to leave people untreated. Those are logical arguments that don’t necessarily work in 30 second sound bites.”
Now, as much as I love Jess McIntosh, and welcome her influence and insight and skills of persuasion on CNN, she is not going to be the one to shape the coverage of this presidential race. The news anchors who interview candidates and the political directors who literally shape coverage and the political analysts who pose themselves as the centrist adult voices in the room have vastly outsize influence, and this segment is a prime example of their utter failure.
I’m sure they are all decent people, and I can almost forgive their cynicism in not considering, even for a moment, that one or more of these candidates is taking this position because it is the right thing to do.
I can even forgive leaving it to Jess McIntosh to point out that if your animating issue is denying health care to your neighbors, you are an a-hole whose vote doesn’t deserve to be courted (I’m paraphrasing, of course). That does seem to fall squarely in the realm of opinion.
But there’s little excuse for these two anchors, one political director, and one down-the-middle centrist adult-in-the-room political analyst not to even raise the question of whether this position might possibly be the right thing to do.
For example, why didn’t any of the people whose job it is to report facts bring up the fact that American taxpayers already subsidize uncompensated care for undocumented immigrants to the tune of almost $20 billion a year?
And why didn’t Chalian politically direct his polling unit to ask the more accurate question “Do you think health insurance coverage provided by the government should be available to undocumented immigrants living in the United States, or would you rather continue paying $20 billion a year in uncompensated care for those immigrants for less effective and more expensive care?”
Why didn’t anyone cite the CNN report that shows undocumented immigrants pay billions in federal taxes every year, or mention that Democrats also favor granting status to millions of undocumented immigrants that would allow even more of them to pay taxes?
And why didn’t any of them mention this other CNN report that shows that people who don’t have health insurance, who can only rely on emergency rooms for care, die by the tens of thousands? Why isn’t that in their poll question?
These aren’t opinions, they’re facts that, for the most part, have already been reported by CNN. And they are facts which, if reported in the context of a presidential campaign — the most important context imaginable — could have a real impact on the poll numbers that these folks are wringing their hands about.
I don’t know why all ten of those Democratic candidates raised their hands either, I just hope they all have the command of facts that Jess McIntosh demonstrated in those 3 seconds. And I hope the Bermans and Camerotas and Chalians and Avlons of the world read this, and do better.
Watch the clip above, via CNN.
This is an opinion piece. The views expressed in this article are those of just the author.
I'm all for Universal Healthcare for U.S. Citizens. Not for non-citizens. WTF are Dems thinking with this bullshyt?
You can argue that its cheaper to cover illegal immigrants instead of supporting their current burden on emergency care and lack of insurance. Though I'd argue the better option is deport those asap who are found here illegally and minimize the appeal of illegal immigration by going after companies that hire illegal immigrants harder. This is a better answer and more politically popular.
It's interesting, mostl the countries with robust safety net systems do not have as lax immigration enforcement and policies as the US. You want to immigrate to Canada outside of asylum? You better have a college degree and it will help if you know French because they want to make sure you're bringing something to the table. This isn't conservative as just common sense immigration policy. Liberals in more liberal countries even acknowledge this and so Democrats are being retarded here and its completely unforced.
But what this tells me is that there are some who definitely raised their hands because of what I said in the first paragraph, but it also tells me a lot of those running aren't embracing these ideas because of a genuine belief which means that more than likely they are just talking out their ass for votes which means the likelihood of implementation or pushing for it will disappear once voted in.
People who oppose universal healthcare also oppose removing the provision to decriminalize border crossings which would expedite the deportation process.
