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Eugene with the law :whoo:




Never Trumpers have a decision to make
Eugene Robinson
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Never-Trump Republicans and independents may be shocked to hear this, but the Democratic Party is likely to nominate a Democrat for president. That means they’re not going to nominate someone who thinks exactly like a Never-Trump Republican.

Break out the smelling salts. I think several refugees from the GOP, pontificating on Twitter and the nation’s leading op-ed pages, just fainted dead away.

I, for one, have pretty much had it with the chorus of center-right voices braying that the Democrats are heading for certain doom — and the nation for four more years of President Trump — if the party picks a nominee who actually embraces the party’s ideals. Elections are choices. These Never Trumpers will have to make one.

Anyone who watched last week’s two-night candidates’ debate should be confident that the eventual Democratic nominee is virtually certain to support universal health care, comprehensive and compassionate immigration reform, reasonable gun control, measures to address climate change and bold steps to address income inequality. No, this is not a Republican agenda. Outcasts from the GOP will have to decide whether to accept it, in the interest of ending our long national nightmare, or reject it and stick with a president who kowtows to Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un.

But don’t blame Democrats for supposedly driving moderate voters into the arms of Trump. For one thing, if Never-Trump Republicans were such brilliant political analysts, they’d never have lost control of their party to Trump in the first place.

For another, polls show that the Democratic agenda has broad public support. Yes, Trump is going to yell “socialism.” But Democrats could nominate the ghost of Ronald Reagan and Trump would still try his best to paint the apparition red. That’s his only play, whether the nominee is comfy-slipper Joe Biden, firebrand Bernie Sanders or any of the others in between.

It should surprise no one that the rhetoric in the debate was aimed at the Democratic base because, duh, that’s who decides the outcome of Democratic primaries. Nor should anyone be surprised when the eventual nominee tacks toward the center for the general election. Every winning presidential candidate I can think of has done that — with the exception of Trump.

Which brings me to another reason those demanding a super-cautious, mealy-mouthed Democratic nominee should spend some time in silent reflection. I believe Trump’s improbable election was possible because the nation is undergoing a political realignment in which the traditional left-to-right spectrum is being shifted in ways not yet fully understood. I don’t claim to have accurately charted the new landscape, but I seriously doubt that aiming for the center point of the old, obsolete spectrum will get you anywhere.

It is true that the Democrats who won House seats in Trump-leaning districts last fall emphasized some elements of the party’s program and de-emphasized others. I assume they’ll do the same thing when they seek reelection in 2020. But it is also true that Hillary Clinton would be president today if the Democratic base had turned out in bigger numbers in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. And, for the record, she did win the popular tally by nearly 3 million votes.

It should be taken as a given than Trump’s hardcore base will show up to vote for the incumbent who has called himself “your favorite President, me!” The Democratic base had better be at least equally motivated to cast its ballots — especially in blue bastions such as Milwaukee, Detroit and Philadelphia. Which means the party had better give those Democrats something, and someone, to vote for.

I hope the ancien régime Republicans — or, I guess, former Republicans — are serious when they talk about what a danger Trump is, both foreign and domestic, and how urgent it is to get him out of the White House. Do they think it would really be such an awful thing for more people to get health care? For migrant children to be treated like children, not taken from their families and caged in squalor? For universal background checks for gun purchases, supported by something like four-fifths of Americans, to be made law? For the United States to rejoin the Paris climate accord and stop artificially boosting the coal industry? For some effort to be made to address levels of inequality that would make Gilded Age titans blush?

That’s what the Democratic nominee is going to stand for, because that’s what loyal Democratic voters stand for. The party should welcome refugee Never Trumpers with open arms. But they can’t be Never Democrats, too.

Read more from Eugene Robinson’s archive, follow him on Twitter or subscribe to his updates on Facebook. You can also join him Tuesdays at 1 p.m. for a live Q&A.

:mjlol: expecting all 5 never trump republicans to actually standup for anything.
 

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what was the point of that tweet? shows more interruptions of biden...

bernie bros need to stop
:mindblown: he's clearly the 2nd most interrupted person which is important because if he had interrupted others at the same rate every post-debate article would be calling him a condescending shmuck.

:mindblown: like ayo, what is wrong with y'all anti-sanders folks....it's like y'all throw out all logic just to release pent up frustration
 

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:mindblown: he's clearly the 2nd most interrupted person which is important because if he had interrupted others at the same rate every post-debate article would be calling him a condescending shmuck.

:mindblown: like ayo, what is wrong with y'all anti-sanders folks....it's like y'all throw out all logic just to release pent up frustration

This is the only explanation I've got for the most vocal group of never-Bernie Warren supporters.
 

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:mindblown: he's clearly the 2nd most interrupted person which is important because if he had interrupted others at the same rate every post-debate article would be calling him a condescending shmuck.

:mindblown: like ayo, what is wrong with y'all anti-sanders folks....it's like y'all throw out all logic just to release pent up frustration
A graphic showing you being interrupted and interrupting is not a strong case when the other leading candidate was interrupted at the same rate and did less interrupting. It’s not throwing out logic, it’s saying whatever point they were trying to make is not substantiated by that graphic. Oh wow, the leading candidates got interrupted, shocking. If you’re going to call out Bernie being attacked then call out Biden being attacked too. I don’t like either of them but I can be objective


Edit: and I won’t even bring up minutes spent talking as a point why a certain two would be more interrupted - that would be too much logic
 

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:mindblown: he's clearly the 2nd most interrupted person which is important because if he had interrupted others at the same rate every post-debate article would be calling him a condescending shmuck.

:mindblown: like ayo, what is wrong with y'all anti-sanders folks....it's like y'all throw out all logic just to release pent up frustration

What rubs people the wrong way about Bernie is too many of his supporters saying they won't vote (or will vote Trump) if he doesn't win the primary. Which isn't really something you see supporters of other candidates say, at least not often. And no, it's not a myth -

Bernie or bust: The Sanders supporters who will back Trump if their man isn't the Democratic nominee
 
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