2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[Berniewood Hogan]

This beefing between the two is stupid

there isn't any. it's a manufactured narrative.

 

[mastermind]

there isn't any. it's a manufactured narrative.

We all can read your posts

 

[King Kreole]

On the left, skepticism about Warren on certain issues with foreign policy (some past moves in relation to Israel for example) is pretty common fam. Add in positive votes on military budget increases (I'm not very moved by this criticism but see it often) and that military/climate change bill...people see red flags. Personally, I don't think it's bad and I feel like we can pull her left on the foreign policy aspects with fair and honest criticism. But even though I don't see it as much of a problem, it's not a bad faith argument. Heads sincerely see red flags on it.

The wasn't saying that Warren can't or shouldn't be critiqued from the left on foreign policy - I've in fact said and done so many times on here - it was in response to calling her "very pro military industrial complex". That's a ridiculous, bad faith statement. She's not as good as Bernie on FP, but she's by no means a hawk and has advocated reforming the military to reduce the nefarious influences of MIC lobbyists. Like, what's the idea, she's going to bomb Iran or Russia? Start another war in the middle east? Invade Venezuela?

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

We all can read your posts

please do.

 

[goatmane]

Nothing you can do. I called this years ago. Bernie's 2016 performance was largely due to him being the only anti-Hillary candidate. It became a two person race, the favorite and the underdog. People gravitate to an underdog, especially when the favorite is so unlikable.

2020 was always going to be a packed field with multiple candidates managing to carve out voter support. There are multiple people in this race with clear, measurable support bases. Pete and Beto are fighting for more moderate white voters, with some young people thrown in. Harris is winning the black vote and garnering a lot of traditional dem voters+young people. Warren is clearly winning the war for the most liberal, young voters. Biden has broad support among all groups (for now). Sanders is left with a portion of the young liberal voter bloc, whereas last time he had the majority. Handicapping that base was always going to result in Sanders being left struggling for 3rd or 4th place in a diverse field.

The only candidates who matter are Biden, Warren, Harris, Pete, Beto, and Sanders. They have the money to last. I'm sticking to my general predictions: Biden will fall, a white guy will rise (and I don't believe it'll be Pete...so it has to be Beto), and Sanders won't win one primary outside of Vermont.

beto disappeared 2 months ago. media don't love him anymore

 

[Piff Perkins]

beto disappeared 2 months ago. media don't love him anymore

You're right. And people are leaving his campaign. But his events in Iowa are still packed. My general view is that while Pete has stolen all of Beto's thunder, he keeps making mistakes that will cripple him long term. Plus he's gay. I support gay people, I just don't think the top white dude in this race is going to be gay. I think people will come home to Beto, who is a more traditional charismatic white candidate. I expect him to turn things around when the debates start. Once he gets on stage and people see him...that's when things will change IMO.

I could be wrong of course. I'm just betting on Beto because he's a more traditional candidate, whereas Pete being gay and so young (and a mayor) are all potential issues for him.

 

[CBSkyline]

I guess being a professional black friend can only get you so far.

Cali moving their primary up might body Harris whole campaign. If i remember right, only those who reach 15% get delegates

 

[storyteller]

The wasn't saying that Warren can't or shouldn't be critiqued from the left on foreign policy - I've in fact said and done so many times on here - it was in response to calling her "very pro military industrial complex". That's a ridiculous, bad faith statement. She's not as good as Bernie on FP, but she's by no means a hawk and has advocated reforming the military to reduce the nefarious influences of MIC lobbyists. Like, what's the idea, she's going to bomb Iran or Russia? Start another war in the middle east? Invade Venezuela?

Yeah I feel you, that's some straight up hyperbole. But it's worth refuting imo, since it's an exaggeration on legitimate concerns. Gotta prep for that lefty recruitment if Warren overtaking Bernie is permanent.

 

[JoogJoint]

I didn't say I love Bernie. He's aight and I'd vote for him in the general, but his supporters are in fact annoying.

They're more invested in shytting on other Democrats than beating Trump. Considering what's at stake in 2020, that's annoying.

The Non-Black ones are racist and only "liberal" to issues that don't pertain to Black people. When it comes to us, "Well ALL Lives Matter!"



Also, a lot of them are too extreme for me.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Nothing you can do. I called this years ago. Bernie's 2016 performance was largely due to him being the only anti-Hillary candidate. It became a two person race, the favorite and the underdog. People gravitate to an underdog, especially when the favorite is so unlikable.

2020 was always going to be a packed field with multiple candidates managing to carve out voter support. There are multiple people in this race with clear, measurable support bases. Pete and Beto are fighting for more moderate white voters, with some young people thrown in. Harris is winning the black vote and garnering a lot of traditional dem voters+young people. Warren is clearly winning the war for the most liberal, young voters. Biden has broad support among all groups (for now). Sanders is left with a portion of the young liberal voter bloc, whereas last time he had the majority. Handicapping that base was always going to result in Sanders being left struggling for 3rd or 4th place in a diverse field.

The only candidates who matter are Biden, Warren, Harris, Pete, Beto, and Sanders. They have the money to last. I'm sticking to my general predictions: Biden will fall, a white guy will rise (and I don't believe it'll be Pete...so it has to be Beto), and Sanders won't win one primary outside of Vermont.

So, I have a question to fellow Bernie supporters. If you were say the advisor or campaign manager to Bernie Sanders, what would you say or do to remedy him declining in the polls? Would you ignore it and keep doing what you're doing or acknowledge it and do something better?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Even Bernie's team (this is his press secretary ) is angling for a Warren presidency



Peep the framing








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[JoogJoint]

You pull a beto and reintroduce yourself to less fanfare.

I think this is the best solution. It's still early for Bernie to reinvent himself and perhaps it wouldn't hurt him to do a little more patching some ill feelings us Black Americans have on him.

He's not doing well with older voters which he really needs to tackle.

 

[JoogJoint]

This is exactly where I am. I’m at the point that I’m not interested in any other candidate but those two. I’m with Warren over Bernie but I’d love for Bernie to win if Warren can’t.

This beefing between the two is stupid and we need to be going at Biden, Buttigieg, and those types.

We need to band together and be on some #AnybodyButBiden type of sh_t.

Right now, get Joe Biden out the way and destroy him in the debates.

 

[JoogJoint]

Nothing you can do. I called this years ago. Bernie's 2016 performance was largely due to him being the only anti-Hillary candidate. It became a two person race, the favorite and the underdog. People gravitate to an underdog, especially when the favorite is so unlikable.

2020 was always going to be a packed field with multiple candidates managing to carve out voter support. There are multiple people in this race with clear, measurable support bases. Pete and Beto are fighting for more moderate white voters, with some young people thrown in. Harris is winning the black vote and garnering a lot of traditional dem voters+young people. Warren is clearly winning the war for the most liberal, young voters. Biden has broad support among all groups (for now). Sanders is left with a portion of the young liberal voter bloc, whereas last time he had the majority. Handicapping that base was always going to result in Sanders being left struggling for 3rd or 4th place in a diverse field.

The only candidates who matter are Biden, Warren, Harris, Pete, Beto, and Sanders. They have the money to last. I'm sticking to my general predictions: Biden will fall, a white guy will rise (and I don't believe it'll be Pete...so it has to be Beto), and Sanders won't win one primary outside of Vermont.

Harris is definitely not getting the Black vote. Most of us cancelled her a long time ago. She's not even on my radar. Warren actually is getting more of the Black vote, specifically Black Women voters, and she's also more palatable to the Centrist establishment.

Biden is ahead thanks to the Black Baby Boomers and White moderates who want the Obama years back.