R. Money
RMCMB
you didn't remember that. you're just posting whatever shyt you find.yeah, that's the point. THAT fukkin piece of shyt has become an anti-trump activist who's voting for biden
2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races
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ALonelyDad
Veteran
Medhi is right, one thing I would wish Bernie would do is distance himself from Tulsi..
the cac mamba
Veteran
what the fukk are you talking aboutyou didn't remember that. you're just posting whatever shyt you find.
that dude was a tea party republican who turned into a never trumperyou know he just ran for president, right? on the platform that trump is a piece of shyt?
you're aware that if someone doesnt cut medicare and social security at some point, it's not gonna exist for us right?
im 29, and i want someone to cut medicare and social security so i can at least have some fukkin scraps of it left when i turn 65. that shyt is an absolute ponzi scheme and a disasterit might be what brings this fukkin country to its knees
so i appreciate adults who are willing to have the conversation instead of these fukking charlatans who lie to our face about it and continue to kick the can down the road
Fukk it at this point and just keepin kickin that can for infinity
R. Money
RMCMB
post more joe walsh content, that's what we really needwhat the fukk are you talking about
you know he just ran for president, right? on the platform that trump is a piece of shyt?
fukking dumbass
2016 all over again
the cac mamba
Veteran
post more joe walsh content, that's what we really need
fukking dumbass
how many aliases do you have, berniewood
im sorry that bernie's revolution failed and he can't turn out voters
shyt must be eating at your soul
Cheddar Biscuits
Give Me Sight Beyond Sight
Looks like Biden closed the door on her trying to join his cabinet. Exactly what she deserved.
Don't get primaried with that 21.4% support in your home state.
Uno Venova
Your honor, I was merely capping.
This is really looking like a bad outcome for the people either way.
And I mean just the people
, Democrats lives won't change, even if they lose.
Looks like Biden closed the door on her trying to join his cabinet. Exactly what she deserved.
Don't get primaried with that 21.4% support in your home state.
nikka curved her back to the position she always had
Hope it was worth it
No one gonna care about this biden will easily win Pennsylvania. Trump better worry about the economy and Coronavirus
As Bernie Sanders Pushed for Closer Ties, Soviet Union Spotted Opportunity
As Bernie Sanders Pushed for Closer Ties, Soviet Union Spotted Opportunity
By Anton Troianovski
March 5, 2020, 9:19 p.m. ET
Previously unseen documents from a Soviet archive show how hard Mr. Sanders worked to find a sister city in Russia when he was a mayor in the 1980s. Moscow saw a chance for propaganda.
Bernie Sanders, center, then mayor of Burlington, Vt., on a visit in 1988 to Yaroslavl, Russia, to establish sister-city ties.Via the family of Valery Volovenko
YAROSLAVL, Russia — The mayor of Burlington, Vt., wrote to a Soviet counterpart in a provincial city that he wanted the United States and the Soviet Union to “live together as friends.”
Unbeknown to him, his desire for friendship meshed with the efforts of Soviet officials in Moscow to “reveal American imperialism as the main source of the danger of war.”
That mayor was Bernie Sanders, and the story of his 1988 trip to the Soviet Union has been told before. But many of the details of Mr. Sanders’s Cold War diplomacy before and after that visit — and the Soviet effort to exploit Mr. Sanders’s antiwar agenda for their own propaganda purposes — have largely remained out of sight.
The New York Times examined 89 pages of letters, telegrams and internal Soviet government documents revealing in far greater detail the extent of Mr. Sanders’s personal effort to establish ties between his city and a country many Americans then still considered an enemy despite the reforms being initiated at the time under Mikhail S. Gorbachev, the Soviet general secretary.
They also show how the Kremlin viewed these sister city relationships as vehicles to sway American public opinion about the Soviet Union.
“One of the most useful channels, in practice, for actively carrying out information-propaganda efforts has proved to be sister-city contact,” a Soviet Foreign Ministry document provided to Yaroslavl officials said.
The documents are part of a government archive in Yaroslavl, Russia, which became the sister city of Burlington. The files are open to the public, though archivists there said that, until now, no one had asked to see them.
A telex Mr. Sanders sent to a Soviet cosmonaut, thanking her for “expediting” the sister-city relationship.Emile Ducke for The New York Times
Nothing in the documents suggests that Mr. Sanders was the only local American official targeted for propaganda, or even that he was particularly receptive to it, though they do describe him as a socialist. But the documents do show the Soviets’ intensive preparation to use Mr. Sanders’s interest in their country to their advantage.
The Sanders campaign didn’t dispute the documents’ authenticity; the English-language documents were shared with the campaign and the relevant Russian documents were described. At the time of Mr. Sanders’s announcement in 1987 that Burlington would seek a Soviet sister city, several dozen other American cities already had such a relationship or had applied for one.
The documents, available at the Yaroslavskaya Region State Archive in Yaroslavl, are included in a file titled “documents about the development of friendly relations of the city of Yaroslavl with the city of Burlington in 1988.”
The Times requested the file from the archive on Thursday of last week. Archive employees said the documents had to first be checked for personal information, and they made the file available on Tuesday. Six pages were hidden from view because, the archivists said, they contained personal information.
In a statement, the Sanders campaign said the candidate was “proud” of his grass-roots diplomatic efforts and noted that the idea of bringing together Soviet and American cities had the highest-level support at the time.
“Mayor Sanders was proud to join dozens of American cities in seeking to end the Cold War through a Sister Cities program that was encouraged by President Reagan himself,” a Sanders campaign spokesman, Mike Casca, said in a statement. “The exchange between Burlington and Yaroslavl, which continues to this day, confirmed Sanders’s long held view: by meeting face to face, we can break down the barriers and stereotypes that exist between people and their governments.”
Mr. Sanders’s involvement in the Cold War debate grew in the 1980s as he forcefully opposed the Reagan administration’s plans to have Burlington and other American cities make evacuation plans for a potential nuclear war.
Instead, Mr. Sanders reached out to the Soviet Union via an organization based in Virginia, requesting a sister-city partnership with the Cold War adversary in an effort to end the threat of nuclear annihilation.
“We were saying: The goal is to not have a nuclear war, not to plan and prepare for it,” said Terry Bouricius, a Burlington alderman at the time who accompanied Mr. Sanders on the trip.
This was also the era of perestroika and glasnost, economic and cultural changes promoted by Mr. Gorbachev that had sparked optimism among some in the West — along with skepticism from many others — that the Kremlin was prepared to adopt a more conciliatory stance abroad and provide greater freedoms to its own people.
While Mr. Sanders has taken heat from President Trump and his campaign for this outreach to the Soviets, his supporters say it was a timely effort to help defuse tensions and stands in contrast to Mr. Trump’s affinity for strongman leaders like Russia’s current president, Vladimir V. Putin.
Proposing a Partnership
In December 1987, the records show, Mr. Sanders spoke by phone with YuriMenshikov, the secretary of the Soviet sister-city organization in Moscow. In a follow-up letter later that month, Mr. Sanders said he had received word that Yaroslavl would be an ideal partner. He proposed leading a Burlington delegation to Yaroslavl to lay the foundation for a sister-city relationship.
He suggested arriving on May 9 — the day that the Soviet Union celebrated its victory over Nazi Germany — and said he was especially interested in discussing economic development, the police, winter street cleaning, libraries, and plumbing and sewer systems.
“We are living through an amazing time, and I believe I am lucky to play a role in such a time,” Mr. Sanders wrote, according to a Russian version of his letter.
The visit to Yaroslavl was eventually scheduled for early June, after Mr. Sanders’s 12-person delegation visited Moscow and Leningrad (now St. Petersburg). Mr. Sanders has referred to the trip as a “very strange honeymoon.” Just before leaving, he had married his longtime partner, Jane O’Meara Driscoll, the director of the Youth Office in Burlington City Hall, in a televised outdoor ceremony on the shore of Lake Champlain.
The delegation’s visit to Yaroslavl was planned minute-by-minute, with tours of schools and theaters and virtually no breaks during the day.
“Visits to Yaroslavl churches and a boat trip on the Volga proved especially memorable to the guests,” an internal Soviet report says.
But the trip wasn’t enough to cinch the sister-city relationship. Mr. Sanders still had to convince Soviet officials in Moscow to grant their approval and allow Yaroslavl representatives to travel to Burlington. He offered glowing reviews in public and ratcheted up his lobbying effort in private.
“People there seemed reasonably happy and content,” Mr. Sanders told reporters in Burlington about Yaroslavl, a city of about 600,000. “I didn’t notice much deprivation.”
Two days after returning to Vermont, Mr. Sanders wrote to the Soviet Embassy in Washington, asking for help in setting up the sister-city program.
“It is my strong belief that if our planet is going to survive, and if we are going to be able to convert the hundreds of billions of dollars that both the United States and the Soviet Union are now wasting on weapons of destruction into areas of productive human development, there is going to have to be a significant increase in citizen-to-citizen contact,” Mr. Sanders wrote.
Throughout their negotiations with Burlington City Hall, Yaroslavl officials were coordinating their messaging with Soviet officials in Moscow.
In a letter to Moscow seeking approval for travel to the United States, Yaroslavl officials pledged that they would talk about the “peace-loving foreign policy” of the Soviet Union and the changes being implemented by Mr. Gorbachev. They attached a seven-point “plan for information-propaganda work” on their visit to Burlington, with specific talking points for each of the delegation’s three members.
The plan is followed by a nine-page guide issued by the Soviet Foreign Ministry on how to communicate Mr. Gorbachev’s policies to international audiences. It describes antiwar movements, sister-city contacts and foreign cultural figures as particularly important targets for Soviet propaganda.
“When carrying out propaganda measures abroad, the forms and methods of the information-propaganda work and its concrete contents must be approved by the Soviet Embassy and take into account the Soviet Union’s relationship with the given country,” the document says.
A Three-Decade Bond
In July, Yaroslavl officials formally allowed the sister-city relationship to go ahead, reflecting approval from Moscow. Mr. Sanders sent an electronic message to a Soviet cosmonaut, Valentina Tereshkova, the first woman in space and the head of the Union of Soviet Societies for Friendship and Cultural Contacts, thanking her for “expediting this process.”
“I believe that sister city programs like the Yaroslavl Burlington one, will help improve Soviet American relations and develop a more peaceful world,” Mr. Sanders wrote.
In December 1987, the records show, Mr. Sanders spoke by phone with YuriMenshikov, the secretary of the Soviet sister-city organization in Moscow. In a follow-up letter later that month, Mr. Sanders said he had received word that Yaroslavl would be an ideal partner. He proposed leading a Burlington delegation to Yaroslavl to lay the foundation for a sister-city relationship.
He suggested arriving on May 9 — the day that the Soviet Union celebrated its victory over Nazi Germany — and said he was especially interested in discussing economic development, the police, winter street cleaning, libraries, and plumbing and sewer systems.
“We are living through an amazing time, and I believe I am lucky to play a role in such a time,” Mr. Sanders wrote, according to a Russian version of his letter.
The visit to Yaroslavl was eventually scheduled for early June, after Mr. Sanders’s 12-person delegation visited Moscow and Leningrad (now St. Petersburg). Mr. Sanders has referred to the trip as a “very strange honeymoon.” Just before leaving, he had married his longtime partner, Jane O’Meara Driscoll, the director of the Youth Office in Burlington City Hall, in a televised outdoor ceremony on the shore of Lake Champlain.
The delegation’s visit to Yaroslavl was planned minute-by-minute, with tours of schools and theaters and virtually no breaks during the day.
“Visits to Yaroslavl churches and a boat trip on the Volga proved especially memorable to the guests,” an internal Soviet report says.
But the trip wasn’t enough to cinch the sister-city relationship. Mr. Sanders still had to convince Soviet officials in Moscow to grant their approval and allow Yaroslavl representatives to travel to Burlington. He offered glowing reviews in public and ratcheted up his lobbying effort in private.
“People there seemed reasonably happy and content,” Mr. Sanders told reporters in Burlington about Yaroslavl, a city of about 600,000. “I didn’t notice much deprivation.”
Two days after returning to Vermont, Mr. Sanders wrote to the Soviet Embassy in Washington, asking for help in setting up the sister-city program.
“It is my strong belief that if our planet is going to survive, and if we are going to be able to convert the hundreds of billions of dollars that both the United States and the Soviet Union are now wasting on weapons of destruction into areas of productive human development, there is going to have to be a significant increase in citizen-to-citizen contact,” Mr. Sanders wrote.
Throughout their negotiations with Burlington City Hall, Yaroslavl officials were coordinating their messaging with Soviet officials in Moscow.
In a letter to Moscow seeking approval for travel to the United States, Yaroslavl officials pledged that they would talk about the “peace-loving foreign policy” of the Soviet Union and the changes being implemented by Mr. Gorbachev. They attached a seven-point “plan for information-propaganda work” on their visit to Burlington, with specific talking points for each of the delegation’s three members.
The plan is followed by a nine-page guide issued by the Soviet Foreign Ministry on how to communicate Mr. Gorbachev’s policies to international audiences. It describes antiwar movements, sister-city contacts and foreign cultural figures as particularly important targets for Soviet propaganda.
“When carrying out propaganda measures abroad, the forms and methods of the information-propaganda work and its concrete contents must be approved by the Soviet Embassy and take into account the Soviet Union’s relationship with the given country,” the document says.
A Three-Decade Bond
In July, Yaroslavl officials formally allowed the sister-city relationship to go ahead, reflecting approval from Moscow. Mr. Sanders sent an electronic message to a Soviet cosmonaut, Valentina Tereshkova, the first woman in space and the head of the Union of Soviet Societies for Friendship and Cultural Contacts, thanking her for “expediting this process.”
“I believe that sister city programs like the Yaroslavl Burlington one, will help improve Soviet American relations and develop a more peaceful world,” Mr. Sanders wrote.
Mr. Sanders posing with Mr. Novikov, second from right, in Burlington in 1998.Via the family of Valery Volovenko
The room in the Yubileynaya Hotel where the newlyweds Bernie and Jane Sanders stayed during their 1988 visit to Yaroslavl.Emile Ducke for The New York Times
The sister city program was something of a capstone to nearly a decade’s worth of foreign policy activism in Burlington City Hall. As mayor, Mr. Sanders championed a range of international causes that often aligned him with left-wing movements and leaders in other countries, and against the Reagan administration, which he described as pursuing a strategy of military escalation that risked setting off a nuclear war.
Mr. Sanders pressed the city government to take positions against American intervention in Nicaragua and El Salvador, and against the invasion of Grenada. In 1985, he visited Managua for the sixth anniversary of the Sandinista revolution and met with its leader, Daniel Ortega.
Mr. Sanders personally managed the Soviet delegation’s visit to Burlington in October to sign the sister-city agreement, holding at least three phone calls with Yaroslavl officials and transmitting a detailed program covering seven days. There was a pilgrimage to the ice cream maker Ben & Jerry’s, where co-founder Ben Cohen told the Soviet officials they could have anything they liked in the gift shop, a delegation member, Yuri Novikov, recalled in an interview.
While the Yaroslavl documents show the Soviets to be planning a propaganda effort in Burlington, Mr. Casca, the Sanders campaign spokesman, said the reality was different when the Yaroslavl delegation arrived in Vermont in October 1988.
“Reporting at the time is clear, rather than propaganda, officials on both sides discussed the limitations of the Soviet system and their common desire to avoid nuclear war,” Mr. Casca said.
Three decades later, amid reports that the Kremlin was looking favorably upon Mr. Sanders’s presidential candidacy (as well as Mr. Trump’s), the Burlington-Yaroslavl relationship lives on in an era of renewed tensions between Washington and Moscow.
In February, the Yaroslavl Bears amateur hockey team played in an annual Burlington pond hockey tournament; Yaroslavl officials said the U.S. Embassy in Moscow made a special effort to arrange the team’s visas in time.
Some of the Yaroslavl residents involved in the relationship with Burlington still look back wistfully at the heady circumstances of Mr. Sanders’s visit in 1988 — a time when the Iron Curtain was starting to crumble, the Soviet Union seemed poised for democratic change, and interactions with Americans felt new and fascinating.
Mr. Novikov, a former head of the Yaroslavl Medical Institute who by his count made 10 trips to Burlington, said he had seen on TV that Mr. Sanders did not want Russians interfering in the campaign. In Mr. Novikov’s view, the goal of a President Sanders should be, at the least, to restore the level of cooperation that existed in the last years of the Cold War.
At times, Mr. Sanders’s global orientation as mayor stirred some resentment at home, with complaints that he was wasting time on international matters that had little to do with Burlington.
But Mr. Sanders’s argument then for the value of what he was doing echoes themes from his campaign speeches now.
Just before the Russia trip, Mr. Sanders told the board of aldermen, Burlington’s municipal legislature, that he hoped it would reduce the risk of armed conflict.
“We cannot have a good police, fire or planning department if there is a nuclear war,” Mr. Sanders said, according to official minutes of the meeting. “The enormous spending on the military by both countries strangles their local economies.”
A Soviet-era Lenin monument in Yaroslavl.Emile Ducke for The New York Times
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Behind the Story: Searching for Sanders in a Russian Archive
By Anton Troianovski
March 5, 2020, 8:46 p.m. ET
An obscurely named entry, discovered after days of searching, offered up an unexplored trove of material.
Bernie Sanders, right, then the mayor of Burlington, Vt., visited the Yaroslavl Medical Institute during his trip to Yaroslavl, Russia, in June 1988.Via the family of Valery Volovenko
As Bernie Sanders became one of the front-runners in the presidential race, journalists in the Moscow bureau of The New York Times began thinking about the days he spent in the Soviet Union in 1988, when he was the mayor of Burlington, Vt.
His visit to a Russian sauna with Soviet officials, singing “This Land Is Your Land,” had already been well told. And residents of Yaroslavl, the city a few hours northeast of Moscow where Mr. Sanders had traveled, had already gone public in 2016 with their positive views of him.
But was there more?
No Russians or government officials encouraged us to look into Mr. Sanders. Driven by our own curiosity, I hopped on a train last week to Yaroslavl as Oleg Matsnev, a researcher in our bureau, checked to see what I might find.
There was a wealth of documents in Yaroslavl, he said, and while it might take time to get access, “I think it is worth it.”
The next morning, a Thursday, I stopped by the Recent History Documentation Center of the Yaroslavl regional government, where, surprisingly, it took only about an hour to get some files. They were string-and-cardboard-bound packets with titles like: “Documents on the development of foreign relations, creation of separate friendship societies, delegation exchanges, etc. (plans, protocols, charters, reports).”
‘Together as Friends’
Previously unseen documents reveal the extent of Mr. Sanders’s effort to build ties with a Soviet city.
There were a few letters from Mr. Sanders, translated into Russian, that were sent after his trip. But otherwise, not much. The local paper, The Northern Worker, did not seem to mention Burlington or Mr. Sanders in 1988, as best as I could tell in flipping through the year’s issues.
The archive worker, strict but helpful, suggested I try the city’s main government archive on Soviet Street. We had identified one file that seemed promising: “Reports on the work of the city executive committee on developing friendly ties with sister cities for the year 1988.”
The archivists on Soviet Street told me I’d need to come back the next day to view the file.
On Friday, as I looked through the file, I found details on ties with cities in France, Portugal and West Germany. But in the stack of yellowing paper there was only one entry mentioning a visit by a delegation from Burlington.
The file that contains letters, telegrams and internal Soviet documents about Bernie Sanders’s 1988 trip to Yaroslavl.Emile Ducke for The New York Times
I figured there must be more. I asked for the full index of the archive’s files relating to the Yaroslavl City Soviet — the Soviet-era governing body — for 1988. As I went through the lines of typewritten entries, one jumped out: R-1269, Op. 3-2, D. 2142.
The title? “Documents about the development of friendly relations of the city of Yaroslavl with the city of Burlington in 1988.”
The earliest I could see it, the archive worker said, would be Tuesday, but no guarantees. Private information would need to be redacted. I took the train back to Moscow, getting ready to do it all again on Tuesday.
When I went back on Tuesday, one of the archivists presented me with the file — cream-colored, bound with string and titled in neat cursive. The ledger on the inside front cover showed no one had ever checked it out. Six pages were covered with white pieces of paper to block out personal information.
But the rest presented an unexplored trove of material: Telex messages from Mr. Sanders, his letters in the original English and in Russian translation, and pages upon pages reflecting the Soviets’ careful preparation for his visit.
Its 89 pages show the extent of Mr. Sanders’s effort to establish ties between his city and a country seen by many Americans then as an adversary, and the Soviets’ intense preparation to propagate their message. They also show how the Kremlin viewed sister-city relationships as vehicles to sway American public opinion.
There was also the hotel check-in slip for Mr. Sanders and his wife, Jane: Room 415 of the Yubileynaya Hotel on the waterfront. Out of curiosity, our photographer Emile Ducke and I stopped by.
The manager, Nikolai Galimski, offered to show us the room — in the 1980s, the nicest suite in the town’s swankiest hotel.
The Italian-made sofa and armchairs are still there. The Soviet-made wired radio, with only one station, still works.
As we entered the bedroom, Mr. Galimski said, “Your future president slept in this bed.”
Previously unseen documents reveal the extent of Mr. Sanders’s effort to build ties with a Soviet city.
There were a few letters from Mr. Sanders, translated into Russian, that were sent after his trip. But otherwise, not much. The local paper, The Northern Worker, did not seem to mention Burlington or Mr. Sanders in 1988, as best as I could tell in flipping through the year’s issues.
The archive worker, strict but helpful, suggested I try the city’s main government archive on Soviet Street. We had identified one file that seemed promising: “Reports on the work of the city executive committee on developing friendly ties with sister cities for the year 1988.”
The archivists on Soviet Street told me I’d need to come back the next day to view the file.
On Friday, as I looked through the file, I found details on ties with cities in France, Portugal and West Germany. But in the stack of yellowing paper there was only one entry mentioning a visit by a delegation from Burlington.
The file that contains letters, telegrams and internal Soviet documents about Bernie Sanders’s 1988 trip to Yaroslavl.Emile Ducke for The New York Times
I figured there must be more. I asked for the full index of the archive’s files relating to the Yaroslavl City Soviet — the Soviet-era governing body — for 1988. As I went through the lines of typewritten entries, one jumped out: R-1269, Op. 3-2, D. 2142.
The title? “Documents about the development of friendly relations of the city of Yaroslavl with the city of Burlington in 1988.”
The earliest I could see it, the archive worker said, would be Tuesday, but no guarantees. Private information would need to be redacted. I took the train back to Moscow, getting ready to do it all again on Tuesday.
When I went back on Tuesday, one of the archivists presented me with the file — cream-colored, bound with string and titled in neat cursive. The ledger on the inside front cover showed no one had ever checked it out. Six pages were covered with white pieces of paper to block out personal information.
But the rest presented an unexplored trove of material: Telex messages from Mr. Sanders, his letters in the original English and in Russian translation, and pages upon pages reflecting the Soviets’ careful preparation for his visit.
Its 89 pages show the extent of Mr. Sanders’s effort to establish ties between his city and a country seen by many Americans then as an adversary, and the Soviets’ intense preparation to propagate their message. They also show how the Kremlin viewed sister-city relationships as vehicles to sway American public opinion.
There was also the hotel check-in slip for Mr. Sanders and his wife, Jane: Room 415 of the Yubileynaya Hotel on the waterfront. Out of curiosity, our photographer Emile Ducke and I stopped by.
The manager, Nikolai Galimski, offered to show us the room — in the 1980s, the nicest suite in the town’s swankiest hotel.
The Italian-made sofa and armchairs are still there. The Soviet-made wired radio, with only one station, still works.
As we entered the bedroom, Mr. Galimski said, “Your future president slept in this bed.”
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