2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races
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Fukk your corny debates
Biden really can’t say anything to Bernie
Video clip of the exchange.
Joe Biden Fires Shot at Sanders: Bernie's Got Enough Baggage
Biden trying to go the “you only get half a bar” route.
That ain’t gonna work. It’s a long primary.
the next guy
Superstar
He already put it directly in his plan. It’s a part of his bill explicitly
you have no other options with this new system, that’s how it’s worse. And your obligated to pay taxes on something, u know won’t fully help u
ill
Superstar
Just a side note on this social equity program for cannabis... It currently doesn't work in reality.
Canna licenses are going to the people with the deepest pockets and biggest state/local connections.
In MA, our legalization came tied to social equity. For those that don't know, that means that the people who were disproportionally effected by pot laws were supposed to have an upper hand and a helping hand in acquiring licenses first. To my knowledge, theres maybe 1 or 2 minority social equity owners so far. Its all a farce because it comes down to who has the millions needed for a license. Those that were previously negatively effected by cannabis laws tend not to have millions so even if they get a license, they have to sell majority ownership in order to get funds.
IMO, the best way to get social equity for disadvantaged candidates is to lower the entry fee from the 6-7 figures it currently costs down to low to mid 5 figures and then prioritize those candidates that were previously arrested for pot. Thats the only way social equity works.
Many of the things you lament as black issues not covered by medical necessity aren't issues that only affect blacks.
The reality is a lot of these details will be hashed out during passage and implementation.
Glaring holes can be fixed.
I'm sure republicans will be willing to repeal and replace if it's an abject failure 
Many of the things you lament as black issues not covered by medical necessity aren't issues that only affect blacks.
The reality is a lot of these details will be hashed out during passage and implementation.
Glaring holes can be fixed.
I'm sure republicans will be willing to repeal and replace if it's an abject failure
That’s correct but it disproportionately effects blacks more.
and I’m glad u think it’s funny republicans won’t do anything about it.
Bc once they win another election and control the rules for everyone, it’ll be even worse. They’ll slash and cut everything
This seems to be fear mongering. The idea that we shouldn't pass popular legislation that helps voters because Republicans might one day gain power and gut it is just a bad position.
AnonymityX1000
Veteran
When you say shyt like this, put the part you are talking about in your post so I know exactly what you are referring to please.
It’s no fear monger if if there are verifiable examples of this with republican governors not accepting Aca help and not covering conditions blacks get more than whites.
they’re not going to do a 180 bc u think they’ll finally act right. They’ve already shown you what they’ll do.
AnonymityX1000
Veteran
medical necessity was invented by racist governors so they wouldn’t have to pay for all conditions black ppl may have.
black politicians tried to convince Bernie to take out medical necessity. He considered it but bytched out and kept it.
o bro. That’s why y’all need to listen to poc progressives on m4all not white ppl. I’ve tried to educate tons of ppl on this.
Bernie and Liz gave STATES the rights to decide what’s covered and what’s not. It’s called medical necessity. Or whatever the state thinks should be covered will be covered
https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20190302.150578/full/
The bill further clarifies that items or services would be covered if they have been provided pursuant to a national practice guideline that has been recognized by HHS. Even when an item or service is not provided in accordance with a national practice guideline, it would be treated this way if the provider exercised professional judgment and acted in the patient’s best interest consistent with their wishes. Providers would also be allowed to override practice guidelines or standards if the override is a medical necessity and appropriate, in the patient’s best interest, and consistent with the individual’s wishes. This override option was not included in the Sanders bill.
CBO’s Report On Single-Payer Health Care Holds More Questions Than Answers
Medicare-for-all backers say the program would cover all medically necessary services. But what does that truly mean?
What may seem obvious — the notion of medical necessity — isn’t so easy to distill into policy rules. And different single-payer systems around the world handle the benefits question differently, the CBO noted.
For instance, Canada doesn’t cover prescription drugs, but the United Kingdom and Sweden do. Of those three, only Sweden fully covers long-term support services, according to the report.
There are two questions at the heart of it, said Robert Berenson, a health policy analyst at the Urban Institute, a left-leaning think tank.
What benefits would be covered? Would it include dental care or prescription drugs or vision, as Sanders’ bill would? And, how does one determine the discrete services included within those benefits categories?
Single-payer architects could look at existing standards, such as the so-called essential health benefits that govern Obamacare health plans, to determine what’s covered. They could be more generous by including long-term care, which isn’t currently covered by Medicare or most private insurance plans.
Even the two “Medicare-for-all” bills in Congress have slightly different takes. Though both provide for long-term support and services, they diverge on how to pay for it. Sanders’ bill covers only at-home long-term care and keeps Medicaid intact for services provided in institutions. The House bill by Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) covers both.
And there are questions about new medical treatments, and how to determine whether they provide added value. The CBO report suggested some kind of “cost-effectiveness criterion” could determine what the government is willing to cover. In practice, though, that standard could be difficult to develop and fall victim to political lobbying or trigger contentious debate.
Separately from the CBO report, McDonough noted, controversial medical services could bring up different kinds of political baggage — whether this plan would cover abortion, for instance, likely would change the single-payer debate.
Medical necessity disproportionately doesn't cover new treatments or even current treatments for African Americans. Literally in the fukking law, if they don't think everyone needs it(all americans not just blacks) they don't have to pay for it.
Your fukking signing black death certificates with your votes, stop listening to these liberal whites. Medicare for All needs to be FOR ALL. Listen to BLACK PROGRESSIVES
Lol a single payer system is superior to what we have right now
Go to Canada. Do they have problems? Yes. Do they need supplemental insurance for things? Yes.
But it’s better than us.
Canadas plan covers way less than what medicare for all will cover. Bernie uses it as an example but they provide way less than Medicare for all.
that’s why it’s so dangerous bc no one even knows how Canada’s system really works. Canadians still spend tens of thousands leaving the country to go to other countries to get cheaper care, that Canada’s system doesn’t cover.
The fact is Bernie is purposely being deceitful presenting cosmetic surgeries as the only example of stuff he m4all won’t pay. That’s nowhere near what really won’t be covered. He’s lying to naive ppl