2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[FAH1223]

 

[FAH1223]

2014 was the most pivotal election of this decade. I 100% agree.

 

[Warren Moon]

this why more and more i believe our system is fundamentally broken and won't ever correct. the two party system broadly sweeps people into buckets they wouldn't otherwise conform to if we had a parliamentary system. the politics of social identities and economic identities aren't always compatible, but when you're stuck with two parties, you can see people on both sides forced into camps that are only half addressing, or not addressing at all, their needs.

facts. There’s no reason for black ppl to align themselves with progressive white policies and politics.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

facts. There’s no reason for black ppl to align themselves with progressive white policies and politics.

yeah brah let’s get this third world slide train going

 

[Warren Moon]

Republicans will call any dem candidate a socialist. They even called Obama and Hillary socialists when they are both extremely pro markets. Bernie will have a much better chance winning in the rust belt than someone like Biden. Trump is going rip Biden apart when it comes to trade. Biden supported the original NAFT, and TPP. Both are extremely unpopular in the Mid West. Bernie has a good record on trade, and his populism will play well there. Bernie will struggle in other areas. I think Bernie will have a harder time in places like FL, NC, and even Virginia. All of the Democratic candidates are extremely flawed, and there really is not a great candidate out there. Some are just more flawed than others.

he did. But tpp and nafta were broadly supported. Y’all got to stop treating older voters like they’re dumb and forgetful.

Older blacks Remember supporting the crime bill, older rust belt blue collar voters remember supporting tpp and nafta.

those voters are now anti crime bill and nafta/tpp as is Biden. That’s why they want to vote for him, he listens to them. They made mistakes in their judgements as did he. That’s a real human being aspect u can’t beat

 

[Warren Moon]

Trump is bad, blue no matter who is NOT going to be enough. Not that many people, especially young liberals are being directly affected by Trump for them to buy into the scare tactics as the only reason to get active. You gotta get swing votes, and not just the ones who don't buy into the two party bullshyt...but the ones who are disillusioned with the political process all together. Sanders and to a lesser extent Yang are the most likely candidates to actually reach those people, as well as flipping some of the Obama/Trump voters back to 'our' side.

You want to beat trump you need his antithesis, not lesser version of Hilary.

Biden is not a lesser version of Hilary. I get Bernie/Warren voters want to make this case, but it’s simply not true.


Biden has decades of tapping into middle class black and white voters that Hilary simply didn’t have.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

facts. There’s no reason for black ppl to align themselves with progressive white policies and politics.

You’re tripping, preogrssive econmoic policies clearly stand to help those being crushed by capitalism...ie, us.

 

[FAH1223]

still hilarious to me

 

[the cac mamba]

Biden is not a lesser version of Hilary. I get Bernie/Warren voters want to make this case, but it’s simply not true.


Biden has decades of tapping into middle class black and white voters that Hilary simply didn’t have.

trump and his team are so afraid of a biden ticket that he went to a foreign fukkin country to ask for their help smearing him

i think biden is from pennsylvania too, right? knock that state off the list

 

[Warren Moon]

yeah brah let’s get this third world slide train going

You’re tripping, preogrssive econmoic policies clearly stand to help those being crushed by capitalism...ie, us.

I’m not championing for anti leftist policies. I’m saying progressive policies need to account for the distinct and separate issues black ppl have in all regions.

Panthers, mlk, Obama (in senate ), Booker, Jesse, Braun and basically any elected national black progressive runs on this (besides Kamala )

Why is having a separate party with this as the focus anti progressive? It’s the message of most black progressives

 

[SunZoo]

hillary was an anomaly, and the worst person on the fukkin planet they could have run in 2016 biden would have won in 2016 like bush did in 88

i hear what youre saying about swing votes. but for every swing voter bernie adds, he loses moderate dems and independents who arent interested in "im raising your taxes to pay for medicare for other people"

i was one of the most obnoxious bernie bros on the site in 2016 im not speaking from any kind of dislike of bernie. gotta call it how i see it, in an entirely different election. the orange fakkit has a record to run on now

And yet Hillary is better, more popular than Joe and would have probably got him up out the paint if she had decided to run in the primary like it seemed she was threatening to.

As for independents, the person most likely to be supported by them is Bernie. And Moderate, blue no matter who dems...are going to choose Trump over Bernie if he's the nominee????? How many Joe Manchin's (who isn't even really moderate) are there? And would these a$$holes that would rather loose to big bad Trump to keep a couple dollars in their pockets ever be demonized like the mythical "bernie bros"?

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

I honestly don't remember seeing any mainstream media figures or networks saying Bernie should drop out. Who was saying this? Nap doesn't count. Bernie was being blacked out, not attacked.

@88m3

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I’m not championing for anti leftist policies. I’m saying progressive policies need to account for the distinct and separate issues black ppl have in all regions.

Panthers, mlk, Obama (in senate ), Booker, Jesse, Braun and basically any elected national black progressive runs on this (besides Kamala )

Why is having a separate party with this as the focus anti progressive? It’s the message of most black progressives

The outcome of progressive economics are what we need. There could be a separate faction that then also advocates for black civil rights, Black specific economic policy, and attacks institutional racism. But a parliamentary works by these different factions teaming up on certain issues, you’re tripping if you think a black faction wouldn’t caucus with all the factions pushing for progressive economic policy.

 

[SunZoo]

Older millennials will, but younger millennials and gen Z are a problem. Issue is, for most millennials, Obama was our first or second...maybe third for the oldest...time they could vote, for gen z, it’s the first president they really remember....seems a lot carry the idea that the energy and phenomenon of Obama is how they should feel every election. Clearly 16 we stayed home, but now it’s time for a wake up call.

He ran a historic campaign on "hope and change" despite being a let down. People were invested in the history and fighting for him as a person.

Those same voters in 2016, not so much more full of "Hope" after two Obama terms felt more like they were being asked to go and fight for Hillary's (and Obama's) political legacy.

You can argue about the value of pragmatism and falling in line...but don't tell the people this is the most important election since blah blah blah and then trot out Sleepy creepy Joe.

 

[Warren Moon]

The outcome of progressive economics are what we need. There could be a separate faction that then also advocates for black civil rights, Black specific economic policy, and attacks institutional racism. But a parliamentary works by these different factions teaming up on certain issues, you’re tripping if you think a black faction wouldn’t caucus with all the factions pushing for progressive economic policy.

Bernie pretty much does this right now .

you posted about a parliamentary process in America. Far Right and Far left coalitions still don’t win national elections.

we would still be in the democratic coalition just as our own party to make sure what we wanted and needed got done.

I said we shouldn’t align ourselves with WHITE progressive policies. If a policy is presented that disproportionately doesn’t help black ppl, we shouldn’t sign off on it until we got something in return.


Blindly following progressive policies that have been implemented in America up until this exact moment has helped white ppl more than blacks.

u need to act accordingly. A Pipe of them doing a 180, that will help us as much as they do themselves is good and all, but the tract record says that’s 100% false.

We need our own distinct party. That’s one of the reasons we get the short end of the stick right now as democrats. Black elected officials can’t go back to their districts and say I didn’t support that bc it doesn’t help us. They’re judged more on their votes for all democratic policies. That shyts gone with our own party