2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[hashmander]

the democrats problem is that their voters don't have a central belief that ranks above all other things. socialists and middle class liberals don't want the same things. black voters don't really even want the same things as some social liberals. republicans at least have abortion and fighting off some fantasy white genocide to hold them together.

 

[No1]

The problem with polls is that they're just not predictive of turnout, which reduces their relevance.

Trump could be at 35% approval, but if all of his people turn out in swing states and less than half of everybody else does then he'll still win.

Polls are based on likely voters and projected turnout. One of the reasons that Sanders won Michigan is that the turnout of young people was underestimated. If you meant that polls can not accurately predict turnout then I’d agree that there is trouble. It’s usually based on how people voted the last time or those who say they intend to vote.

 

[No1]

yall need to quit crying about this because realistically it's part of what has bernie sailing along. other than the lower common denominator "he's a socialist" attack, bernie hasn't been attack substantively because the media ignores him and thus he's prospering

It’s legitimately helping him. They stopped attacking him once they thought Warren got him out of the paint.

 

[No1]

the democrats problem is that their voters don't have a central belief that ranks above all other things. socialists and middle class liberals don't want the same things. black voters don't really even want the same things as some social liberals. republicans at least have abortion and fighting off some fantasy white genocide to hold them together.

Realistically, the New Deal coalition fell apart when social justice (mostly racial justice) was embedded into the program. Therefore, the Democratic Party tried to substitute upper middle class White people that hold socially liberal views for the economically left but racist ones. The entire Sanders campaign is a question of whether the new deal coalition can be put back together. Unsurprisingly, he’s most popular with the least white generations in American history.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

the democrats problem is that their voters don't have a central belief that ranks above all other things. socialists and middle class liberals don't want the same things. black voters don't really even want the same things as some social liberals. republicans at least have abortion and fighting off some fantasy white genocide to hold them together.

Which is a more detailed way of saying what we been saying since November 2016:

Republicans see the R and VOTE REPUBLICAN

Democrats see the D and think "Does he/she believe that trees also deserve representation in congress? If not I'm voting Green or Independant..."

 

[No1]

Which is a more detailed way of saying what we been saying since November 2016:

Republicans see the R and VOTE REPUBLICAN

Democrats see the D and think "Does he/she believe that trees also deserve representation in congress? If not I'm voting Green or Independant..."

That isn’t really true. Trump got less votes than Mitt Romney and libertarian candidates got much larger vote percentages. We also saw that in Alabama when Doug Jones won strictly because Ol boy was a pedophile. Let’s also not forget Clinton benefitting from a third party. Aside from 2000, there’s not much evidence of a third party swaying an election against Democrats. Jill Stein voters would’ve otherwise just stayed home.

 

[FAH1223]

 

[wire28]

If Bernie wants to win then his top priority should be outreach to older black voters.

Whining about the media all day is unhelpful and just makes Bernie supporters start sounding like Trump supporters.

start?

 

[No1]

start?

Comparing the plurality of your generation regardless of race to white supremacists is definitely a way to get them on your side. But hey, you really stuck it to the “bro,” which is all that really matters I guess. And unlike Trump, Sanders supporters are upset about facts. Though I agree that it is unhelpful. For example, Warren never makes similar complaints.

 

[afterlife2009]

If Bernie wants to win then his top priority should be outreach to older black voters.

Whining about the media all day is unhelpful and just makes Bernie supporters start sounding like Trump supporters.

Trump hates all MSM because they don't run propaganda for him except FOX but he has criticized them too when they aren't kissing his ass. Left wing criticism of the billionaire owned media is not the same as right wing criticism and you know this. Let me know what you disagree in Bernie's media plan because it's all good stuff. Op-Ed: Bernie Sanders on his plan for journalism

And newsflash: Black voters haven't budged from Biden this entire cycle. 1964 was the last time Democrats won the white vote. At no time since then has a Democrat won the electoral college with white support as low as Hillary Clinton's 37% in 2016.

Black voters have stayed with Joe Biden in part to win back the white voters that went Republican in the Midwest. The end. By the way in November's South Carolina poll Bernie had a 72% favorability with black voters in SC.. he's second behind Biden who's at 78%. A running theme since 2016. He has good favorables but it's just only translated to votes for under 35 black voters. It's generational. Not sure what he can do but hope Biden's support is soft after winning Iowa and NH

 

[dtownreppin214]

At this point, I would not mind one bit if they were forced to go into a room and flip a coin three times to see who drops out and who moves forward. Biden is holding strong despite months of gaffes and lazy campaigning. He is on pace to win the nom and most likely defeat Trump. But I can't stomach having to watch this man sit on his hands for 4 years. It's obvious from his comments that he has no intention of pushing the envelope as prez and that he's going to be one of the most unproductive prez of our lifetimes.

 

[afterlife2009]

My prediction is that Bernie's going to have the most delegates after the first three states then go on to lose the south and the discourse from professional class liberals will be Bernie didn’t do enough "woke" stuff to win over southern black voters... even though the person that beat him is crime bill Joe Biden.

As I've said above, Black voters have stayed with Joe Biden in part cause they know he can win enough Midwest white support to get the electoral collage. I don’t think some people on here and on Twitter have any conception of the institutions and networks that drives voting across demographics -- including black voters in the south

A good share of the black electorate likes public safety and law which is why Biden's black support is locked in like cement even though Twitter tries to cancel him every week.

 

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[dora_da_destroyer]

i understand their need to keep "standing in solidarity", but for the first debate without a double digit # of candidates on stage, it would be their loss IMO

 

[Warren Moon]

My prediction is that Bernie's going to have the most delegates after the first three states then go on to lose the south and the discourse from professional class liberals will be Bernie didn’t do enough "woke" stuff to win over southern black voters... even though the person that beat him is crime bill Joe Biden.

As I've said above, Black voters have stayed with Joe Biden in part cause they know he can win enough Midwest white support to get the electoral collage. I don’t think some people on here and on Twitter have any conception of the institutions and networks that drives voting across demographics -- including black voters in the south

A good share of the black electorate likes public safety and law which is why Biden's black support is locked in like cement even though Twitter tries to cancel him every week.

Bernie voters for the crime bill too. Idk why ppl just say Biden.