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one...who cares? two, if i'm president of company X and hire mckinsey to figure out which departments need to be laid off, that's a company x thing. consulting firms don't come in on some "let's lay people off", when it comes to workforce reductions, management knows that's the course they want to go, they look to consulting firms to figure out exactly where the head count should come from.

I care. That's the profession he chose, I'm sure he could've done anything. It's not like he was a lawyer and had a professional duty.

He has a very short professional career and there isn't anything redeemable about his stint as mayor.

What he's done and accomplished matters right?
 

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Yeah, If I had to guess, he was probably doing pretty mundane, low-level grunt work for these efficiency projects, and the reason his team doesn't want that to come out is that it's a bad look in the 2019 political atmosphere. I don't think he was yukking it up with MBS, advising the Saudis on how to dismember Khasoggi or anything.

"just following orders"

:scust:
 

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Maybe, maybe not. It depends on how he views that work. So far, he's been promoting his time there as pretty foundational to his worldview. He's been proud of the work he's done there. If it turns out that work was getting working people fired in the name of efficiency, then he should have to answer for that.
like i said in the other thread, MBB is full of the "most desirable" people to work around - great educational backgrounds, strong alumni connection, tons of prestige, and fwiw a lot of ex-consultants from these firms value the frameworks and approaches to problem solving they learned there...a lot of reasons to feel like his time there was pivotal having nothing to do with the actual work. in fact, none of my friends who left those firms during the 1-4 year mark ever cite the work as why they valued their time there
 

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I care. That's the profession he chose, I'm sure he could've done anything. It's not like he was a lawyer and had a professional duty.

He has a very short professional career and there isn't anything redeemable about his stint as mayor.

What he's done and accomplished matters right?
he hasn't accomplished shyt worth running for president, i don't need details on his time as mckinsey to tell me different.
 

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The majority of black people are being encouraged by black leaders to vote for Biden. If they wanted to switch their allegiance to Warren tomorrow they could.

But Biden is more willing to give us GUARANTEES on things we're asking for.
They are being encouraged but why are the black leaders pushing them? Has Biden pushed any type of legislation to benefit us? Does it not matter that Biden sees southern racist republicans as friends, the two peoples names escape me right now. But you’re putting Bernie down for practically the same thing.

These black leaders ain’t shyt and sell us out all the time.
 
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They are being encouraged but why are the black leaders pushing them? Has Biden pushed any type of legislation to benefit us?

These black leaders ain’t shyt and sell us out all the time.

Yes. Y’all really need to actually read Biden’s policies. So many people in here diss Biden but don’t even take the time to read his policies.

criminal reform

no cash bill, no crack discrepancy with cocaine (it would release thousands of blacks immediately) Liz won’t even do this, no private prisons, no mandatory sentences.

read his policies.


Ppl love to shyt on black leaders but anything of merit that has helped our community has come through them. They haven’t been sitting on their ass since the 60’s. We’ve come a long way and still have a long way to go
 

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Yes. Y’all really need to actually read Biden’s policies. So many people in here diss Biden but don’t even take the time to read his policies.

criminal reform

no cash bill, no crack discrepancy with cocaine (it would release thousands of blacks immediately) Liz won’t even do this, no private prisons, no mandatory sentences.

read his policies.


Ppl love to shyt on black leaders but anything of merit that has helped our community has come through them. They haven’t been sitting on their ass since the 60’s. We’ve come a long way and still have a long way to go
What about Biden considering two extremely racist republicans, who’s names escape me right now, yet you criticize sanders for something similar?

Also, there’s Bernie’s Thurgood Marshall plan

https://berniesanders.com/en/issues/reinvest-in-public-education/
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He’s also against private prisons and more.
Racial Justice

When we are in the White House, we will:

  • End, once and for all, the destructive “war on drugs,” including legalizing marijuana.
  • Eliminate private prisons and detention centers.
  • End cash bail.
  • Abolish the death penalty.
  • End all mandatory minimums and reinstate the federal system of parole.
  • Seriously reform civil asset forfeitures.
  • Bring about major police department reform.
 

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What about Biden considering two extremely racist republicans, who’s names escape me right now, yet you criticize sanders for something similar?

Also, there’s Bernie’s Thurgood Marshall plan
https://berniesanders.com/en/issues/reinvest-in-public-education/
Reinvest in Public Education.

He’s also against private prisons and more.
Racial Justice

When we are in the White House, we will:

  • End, once and for all, the destructive “war on drugs,” including legalizing marijuana.
  • Eliminate private prisons and detention centers.
  • End cash bail.
  • Abolish the death penalty.
  • End all mandatory minimums and reinstate the federal system of parole.
  • Seriously reform civil asset forfeitures.
  • Bring about major police department reform.

He is. Not saying Bernie doesn’t have good policies.

Do you think black ppl have more say with Biden or Bernie?
 

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like i said in the other thread, MBB is full of the "most desirable" people to work around - great educational backgrounds, strong alumni connection, tons of prestige, and fwiw a lot of ex-consultants from these firms value the frameworks and approaches to problem solving they learned there...a lot of reasons to feel like his time there was pivotal having nothing to do with the actual work. in fact, none of my friends who left those firms during the 1-4 year mark ever cite the work as why they valued their time there
I grew up during the War in Iraq and the financial crisis, so I guess I just don't really see a lot of actual value in the credentialism and prestige of the elites who are responsible for shepherding society to the current state it's in. When I look around, I don't see a great society, and the best parts have nothing to do with the work of the MBB ilk. In fact, most of their work is aiding in the destruction of what's left of what's worthwhile in our society. I don't think these people should be running the government anymore. So when Pete touts the frameworks and approaches to problem solving he learned at the institution that aided and abetted in the gutting of the working class and helped prop up authoritarian regimes across the globe, that doesn't do much for me. I'm not moved by that. I would give him a ton of credit if he could speak critically about the fundamental limitations of applying the McKinsey-approach to governing instead of uncritically parroting the same elite self-dealing bullshyt we keep hearing from McKinsey-world and the people who rely on their access to it for self-worth.
 

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He is. Not saying Bernie doesn’t have good policies.

Do you think black ppl have more say with Biden or Bernie?
Bernie marched with Martin Luther king and got arrested protesting for equal housing in Chicago, Biden opposed busing and worked with segregationists, he’s a typical old rich cac. Still puzzled while you ride so hard for Biden
 

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finally an ungated article...wow, i keep forgetting how old, well young, he is. nikkas really losing their shyt over what a 24-27 yr old entry level consultant was doing :mjlol:

and the hyperbole (opening paragraphs make case interviews sound like he actually saved a F500 during his interview), fear mongering, and positioning in that article...oh no, they told a pharmaceutical company how to increase sales, surely they must suck. and heaven forbid this global company operating in 65 countries do business with the government of those countries :bryan:
 

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I grew up during the War in Iraq and the financial crisis, so I guess I just don't really see a lot of actual value in the credentialism and prestige of the elites who are responsible for shepherding society to the current state it's in. When I look around, I don't see a great society, and the best parts have nothing to do with the work of the MBB ilk. In fact, most of their work is aiding in the destruction of what's left of what's worthwhile in our society. I don't think these people should be running the government anymore. So when Pete touts the frameworks and approaches to problem solving he learned at the institution that aided and abetted in the gutting of the working class and helped prop up authoritarian regimes across the globe, that doesn't do much for me. I'm not moved by that. I would give him a ton of credit if he could speak critically about the fundamental limitations of applying the McKinsey-approach to governing instead of uncritically parroting the same elite self-dealing bullshyt we keep hearing from McKinsey-world and the people who rely on their access to it for self-worth.
to the first part - you not caring about those things doesn't mean that's not what he valued and took away from mckinsey, that's what we're discussing, why he found that to be a pivotal starting place.

:dead:

ok breh....


it's amazing that the loudest people whining about this are folks who have absolutely no desire to vote for him, not even considering him. would be one thing if this was actually resounding from people who are actually interested in him/want to vote for him
 
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Bernie marched with Martin Luther king and got arrested protesting for equal housing in Chicago, Biden opposed busing and worked with segregationists, he’s a typical old rich cac. Still puzzled while you ride so hard for Biden

black ppl asked him to not institute bussing breh :snoop: y’all have got to take articles written by Bernie supporters as 100 tru

they didn’t want to send their kids to the white suburbs where they knew no one. It was a safety issue. Just look it up. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk...mise-segregationists-he-fought-their-n1021626
the naacp wanted to have bussing in every city, the local black community didn’t. He followed their requests.


Bernie also said the reason white ppl in Mississippi didn’t vote for Obama wasn’t bc of racism.
 

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He is. Not saying Bernie doesn’t have good policies.

Do you think black ppl have more say with Biden or Bernie?
I think Bernie, I think we fare better with him. We need left policies in place to help us, I know they aren’t gonna be a magical fix all but I believe we’ll do much better with left policies and on top of that if he or Warren truly go after corporations and the wealthy it helps us even more.

I don’t see Biden doing much with centrist policies. We’ve been there already, plus as a nation we need to shift left.
 
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