OfTheCross
Veteran
I like this first choice 2nd choice style of voting. we should make that a thing
2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races
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storyteller
Veteran
M4A proposals all allow for supplemental coverage of anything that isn't covered by the Medicare expansion and also expands Medicare to cover a lot more than what those two nations currently cover tho...so this isn't really very valid.
On the polling over abolishing private insurance, the polling trend goes back to positive if you say that they can keep their doctors. Here's amore recent article that uses a Morning Consult poll to demonstrate my point...
Detractors want you to believe M4A's private insurance purge is unpopular. Not true, per MC poll
PoorAndDangerous
Superstar
Keep doubting the most popular candidate in the US brehs 
hope the bidenboyz enjoy playing with uncle joe’s leg hair because they’ll have plenty of time to do that when he loses
hope the bidenboyz enjoy playing with uncle joe’s leg hair because they’ll have plenty of time to do that when he loses
I’m praying Biden is gone next.
@Warren Moon I ain’t reading all that shyt my guy. This isn’t 2012 on here. I have a job. I need a breakdown.
We just did that in NYC. I also think with Kamala out that Warren takes the lead here.
AnonymityX1000
Veteran
Bernie got this locked down. It is going to take blatant cheating to stop him. 
the gawd
no bro. That’s why y’all need to listen to poc progressives on m4all not white ppl. I’ve tried to educate tons of ppl on this.
Bernie and Liz gave STATES the rights to decide what’s covered and what’s not. It’s called medical necessity. Or whatever the state thinks should be covered will be covered
https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20190302.150578/full/
The bill further clarifies that items or services would be covered if they have been provided pursuant to a national practice guideline that has been recognized by HHS. Even when an item or service is not provided in accordance with a national practice guideline, it would be treated this way if the provider exercised professional judgment and acted in the patient’s best interest consistent with their wishes. Providers would also be allowed to override practice guidelines or standards if the override is a medical necessity and appropriate, in the patient’s best interest, and consistent with the individual’s wishes. This override option was not included in the Sanders bill.
CBO’s Report On Single-Payer Health Care Holds More Questions Than Answers
Medicare-for-all backers say the program would cover all medically necessary services. But what does that truly mean?
What may seem obvious — the notion of medical necessity — isn’t so easy to distill into policy rules. And different single-payer systems around the world handle the benefits question differently, the CBO noted.
For instance, Canada doesn’t cover prescription drugs, but the United Kingdom and Sweden do. Of those three, only Sweden fully covers long-term support services, according to the report.
There are two questions at the heart of it, said Robert Berenson, a health policy analyst at the Urban Institute, a left-leaning think tank.
What benefits would be covered? Would it include dental care or prescription drugs or vision, as Sanders’ bill would? And, how does one determine the discrete services included within those benefits categories?
Single-payer architects could look at existing standards, such as the so-called essential health benefits that govern Obamacare health plans, to determine what’s covered. They could be more generous by including long-term care, which isn’t currently covered by Medicare or most private insurance plans.
Even the two “Medicare-for-all” bills in Congress have slightly different takes. Though both provide for long-term support and services, they diverge on how to pay for it. Sanders’ bill covers only at-home long-term care and keeps Medicaid intact for services provided in institutions. The House bill by Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) covers both.
And there are questions about new medical treatments, and how to determine whether they provide added value. The CBO report suggested some kind of “cost-effectiveness criterion” could determine what the government is willing to cover. In practice, though, that standard could be difficult to develop and fall victim to political lobbying or trigger contentious debate.
Separately from the CBO report, McDonough noted, controversial medical services could bring up different kinds of political baggage — whether this plan would cover abortion, for instance, likely would change the single-payer debate.
Medical necessity disproportionately doesn't cover new treatments or even current treatments for African Americans. Literally in the fukking law, if they don't think everyone needs it(all americans not just blacks) they don't have to pay for it.
Your fukking signing black death certificates with your votes
, stop listening to these liberal whites. Medicare for All needs to be FOR ALL. Listen to BLACK PROGRESSIVES
o bro. That’s why y’all need to listen to poc progressives on m4all not white ppl. I’ve tried to educate tons of ppl on this.
Bernie and Liz gave STATES the rights to decide what’s covered and what’s not. It’s called medical necessity. Or whatever the state thinks should be covered will be covered
https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20190302.150578/full/
The bill further clarifies that items or services would be covered if they have been provided pursuant to a national practice guideline that has been recognized by HHS. Even when an item or service is not provided in accordance with a national practice guideline, it would be treated this way if the provider exercised professional judgment and acted in the patient’s best interest consistent with their wishes. Providers would also be allowed to override practice guidelines or standards if the override is a medical necessity and appropriate, in the patient’s best interest, and consistent with the individual’s wishes. This override option was not included in the Sanders bill.
CBO’s Report On Single-Payer Health Care Holds More Questions Than Answers
Medicare-for-all backers say the program would cover all medically necessary services. But what does that truly mean?
What may seem obvious — the notion of medical necessity — isn’t so easy to distill into policy rules. And different single-payer systems around the world handle the benefits question differently, the CBO noted.
For instance, Canada doesn’t cover prescription drugs, but the United Kingdom and Sweden do. Of those three, only Sweden fully covers long-term support services, according to the report.
There are two questions at the heart of it, said Robert Berenson, a health policy analyst at the Urban Institute, a left-leaning think tank.
What benefits would be covered? Would it include dental care or prescription drugs or vision, as Sanders’ bill would? And, how does one determine the discrete services included within those benefits categories?
Single-payer architects could look at existing standards, such as the so-called essential health benefits that govern Obamacare health plans, to determine what’s covered. They could be more generous by including long-term care, which isn’t currently covered by Medicare or most private insurance plans.
Even the two “Medicare-for-all” bills in Congress have slightly different takes. Though both provide for long-term support and services, they diverge on how to pay for it. Sanders’ bill covers only at-home long-term care and keeps Medicaid intact for services provided in institutions. The House bill by Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) covers both.
And there are questions about new medical treatments, and how to determine whether they provide added value. The CBO report suggested some kind of “cost-effectiveness criterion” could determine what the government is willing to cover. In practice, though, that standard could be difficult to develop and fall victim to political lobbying or trigger contentious debate.
Separately from the CBO report, McDonough noted, controversial medical services could bring up different kinds of political baggage — whether this plan would cover abortion, for instance, likely would change the single-payer debate.
Medical necessity disproportionately doesn't cover new treatments or even current treatments for African Americans. Literally in the fukking law, if they don't think everyone needs it(all americans not just blacks) they don't have to pay for it.
Your fukking signing black death certificates with your votes
, stop listening to these liberal whites. Medicare for All needs to be FOR ALL. Listen to BLACK PROGRESSIVES
Apollo Kid
Veteran
I am black and I am a progressive. Everyone who says they are, are not. What you outlined are problems that exist in the current system as well. Instead of improving Medicare for all, your idea is to scrap it all together because it needs tweaks? This is bad faith.o bro. That’s why y’all need to listen to poc progressives on m4all not white ppl. I’ve tried to educate tons of ppl on this.
Bernie and Liz gave STATES the rights to decide what’s covered and what’s not. It’s called medical necessity. Or whatever the state thinks should be covered will be covered
https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20190302.150578/full/
The bill further clarifies that items or services would be covered if they have been provided pursuant to a national practice guideline that has been recognized by HHS. Even when an item or service is not provided in accordance with a national practice guideline, it would be treated this way if the provider exercised professional judgment and acted in the patient’s best interest consistent with their wishes. Providers would also be allowed to override practice guidelines or standards if the override is a medical necessity and appropriate, in the patient’s best interest, and consistent with the individual’s wishes. This override option was not included in the Sanders bill.
CBO’s Report On Single-Payer Health Care Holds More Questions Than Answers
Medicare-for-all backers say the program would cover all medically necessary services. But what does that truly mean?
What may seem obvious — the notion of medical necessity — isn’t so easy to distill into policy rules. And different single-payer systems around the world handle the benefits question differently, the CBO noted.
For instance, Canada doesn’t cover prescription drugs, but the United Kingdom and Sweden do. Of those three, only Sweden fully covers long-term support services, according to the report.
There are two questions at the heart of it, said Robert Berenson, a health policy analyst at the Urban Institute, a left-leaning think tank.
What benefits would be covered? Would it include dental care or prescription drugs or vision, as Sanders’ bill would? And, how does one determine the discrete services included within those benefits categories?
Single-payer architects could look at existing standards, such as the so-called essential health benefits that govern Obamacare health plans, to determine what’s covered. They could be more generous by including long-term care, which isn’t currently covered by Medicare or most private insurance plans.
Even the two “Medicare-for-all” bills in Congress have slightly different takes. Though both provide for long-term support and services, they diverge on how to pay for it. Sanders’ bill covers only at-home long-term care and keeps Medicaid intact for services provided in institutions. The House bill by Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) covers both.
And there are questions about new medical treatments, and how to determine whether they provide added value. The CBO report suggested some kind of “cost-effectiveness criterion” could determine what the government is willing to cover. In practice, though, that standard could be difficult to develop and fall victim to political lobbying or trigger contentious debate.
Separately from the CBO report, McDonough noted, controversial medical services could bring up different kinds of political baggage — whether this plan would cover abortion, for instance, likely would change the single-payer debate.
Medical necessity disproportionately doesn't cover new treatments or even current treatments for African Americans. Literally in the fukking law, if they don't think everyone needs it(all americans not just blacks) they don't have to pay for it.
Your fukking signing black death certificates with your votes
“Let’s take an IQ test”
Then he called him fat
Laziest campaign ever
What issue do you have with his response? I see a man projecting strength in that clip while being quick on his feet.
@śïñe•qúå_nøn might have been right about this one.
I am referencing The NY Times poll from last week. Of course support will vary throughout the course of a campaign. Again, the problem with what you said is that we had a decade of Obama showing that they would see that sort of compromise as weakness. And then we saw Trump do whatever he wants. Basically, the lessen our generation learned was to stick to your guns because the other side is full of bad faith actors.