That's the only thing we've been talking about.
2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races
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That's the only thing we've been talking about.
storyteller
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Oh word? So this back and forth was about public perception and not implementation?
Since the page flipped, I'ma put Bernie's actual plans back up for heads that actually do care about what implementation looks like.
If you don't care about policy, then please stop pretending Bernie doesn't have any plans since you don't care to view them anyway. Warren's good, she's not the only one with a vision that we can take a look at a scrutinize.
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Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Thats not implementation
storyteller
Veteran
The only thing missing from Bernie's plans is the Public Option and if you want that, you should be co-signing TF outta Pete or Biden...like a gang of Warren heads did once she involved it.
It's YOU. You and your ilk are the problem this time around. She moved off of the obvious funding mechanism and added a Public Option to please YOUR part of her support..that shyt wasn't for the Bernie heads. That's a fine target, but she came across as a flip flopper and the shyt hit hard and fast.
Now she's lost a gang of support which sucks, but like I said she can get it back...but yall will be the ones to cost her and yall are gonna pretend it's Bernie's fault that Pete Buttigeig is stealing her thunder instead of actually acknowledging that you forced her into a shytty position unnecessarily because you refuse to even entertain ideas that are too close to Bernie.
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lists pro-IRA as if it were a bad thing, what a c*nt
I hope you're not genuinely concerned about Bloomberg's campaign
explain the logic that lead you to thistruthout.org
Warren’s New Proposal for Prescription Drugs Is Flying Under the Radar
Dean Baker
5-7 minutes
Earlier this month, Sen. Elizabeth Warren put out a set of steps that she would put forward as president as part of a transition to Medicare for All. The items that got the most attention were including everyone over age 50 and under age 18 in Medicare, and providing people of all ages with the option to buy into the program. This buy-in would include large subsidies, and people with incomes of less than 200 percent of the poverty level would be able to enter the Medicare program at no cost.
These measures would be enormous steps toward Medicare for All, bringing tens of millions of people into the program, including most of those (people over age 50) with serious medical issues. It would certainly be more than halfway to a universal Medicare program.
While these measures captured most of the attention given to Warren’s transition plan, another part of the plan is probably at least as important. Warren proposed to use the government’s authority to compel the licensing of drug patents so that multiple companies can produce a patented drug.
The government can do this both because it has general authority to compel licensing of patents (with reasonable compensation) and because it has explicit authority under the 1980 Bayh-Dole Act to require licensing of any drug developed in part with government-funded research. The overwhelming majority of drugs required some amount of government-supported research in their development.
These measures are noteworthy because they can be done on the president’s own authority. While the pharmaceutical industry will surely contest a president’s use of the government’s authority to weaken their patent rights, those actions would not require congressional approval.
The other reason that these steps would be so important is that there is a huge amount of money involved. The United States is projected to spend over $6.6 trillion on prescription drugs over the next decade, more than 2.5 percent of GDP.
This is an enormous amount of money. We spend more than twice as much per person on drugs as people in other wealthy countries.
This is not an accident. The grant of a patent monopoly allows drug companies to charge as much as they want for drugs that are necessary for people’s health or even their life.
While other countries also grant patent monopolies, they limit the ability of drug companies to exploit these monopolies with negotiations or price controls. This is why prices in these countries are so much lower than in the United States.
But even these negotiated prices are far above what drug prices would be in a free market. The price of drugs in a free market, without patent monopolies or related protections, will typically be less than 10 percent of the U.S. price and in some cases, less than 1 percent.
This is because drugs are almost invariably cheap to manufacture and distribute. They are expensive because government-granted patent monopolies make them expensive.
The rationale for patent monopolies is to give companies an incentive to research and develop drugs. This process is expensive, and if newly developed drugs were sold in a free market, companies would not be able to recover these expenses.
To make up for the loss of research funding supported by patent monopolies, Warren proposes an increase in public funding for research. This would be an important move toward an increased reliance on publicly funded biomedical research.
There are enormous advantages to publicly funded research over patent monopoly-supported research. First, the government is funding the research. It can require that all results be fully public as soon as possible so that all researchers can quickly benefit from them.
By contrast, under the patent system, drug companies have an incentive to keep results secret. They have no desire to share results that could benefit competitors.
Public funding would also radically reduce the incentive to develop copycat drugs. Under the current system, drug companies will often devote substantial sums to developing drugs that are intended to duplicate the function of drugs already on the market. While there is generally an advantage to having more options to treat a specific condition, most often, research dollars would be better spent trying to develop drugs for conditions where no effective treatment currently exists.
Ending patent monopoly pricing would also take away the incentive for drug companies to conceal evidence that their drugs may not be as safe or effective as claimed. Patent monopolies give drug companies an incentive to push their drugs as widely as possible.
The opioid crisis provides a dramatic example of the dangers of this system. Opioid manufacturers would not have had the same incentive to push their drugs, concealing evidence of their addictive properties, if they were not making huge profits on them.
In short, Senator Warren’s plans on drugs are a really huge deal. How far and how quickly she will be able to get to Medicare for All will depend on what she can get through Congress. But her proposal for prescription drugs is something she would be able to do if elected president, and it would make an enormous difference in both the cost and the quality of our health care.
bernie doesn't have funding options, he doesn't have implementation timelines (because you're not doing it in a week), and he doesn't have legislative mechanisms in placeThe only thing missing from Bernie's plans is the Public Option and if you want that, you should be co-signing TF outta Pete or Biden...like a gang of Warren heads did once she involved it.
It's YOU. You and your ilk are the problem this time around. She moved off of the obvious funding mechanism and added a Public Option to please YOUR part of her support..that shyt wasn't for the Bernie heads. That's a fine target, but she came across as a flip flopper and the shyt hit hard and fast.
Now she's lost a gang of support which sucks, but like I said she can get it back...but yall will be the ones to cost her and yall are gonna pretend it's Bernie's fault that Pete Buttigeig is stealing her thunder instead of actually acknowledging that you forced her into a shytty position unnecessarily because you refuse to even entertain ideas that are too close to Bernie.
Bernie escapes ALL details.
storyteller
Veteran
My dude are you seriously playing dumb about these things? Use your googles. Or just read our conversation back. I posted a breakdown of Bernie's funding plan (namely a payroll tax) vs Warren's TWICE. You were quoted in it dipshyt. His version is the one actual wonks would suggest. I also posted a link to a white paper with multiple funding options included. That was during this back and forth.
The implementation is a four year roll out, during which out of pocket costs are reduced and the age for enrollment is decreased gradually. Bernie's not even the only one to have explained this, I think even Gillebrand did during one of the first two debates. Pay attention.
Legislative mechanisms it the only standing challenge and like I said, useful idiots like you are the problem on this end for pretending your legislators wouldn't change their tune entirely if they had to worry about their seats on a no-vote. And I call you a useful idiot, because you don't bother to read his plans but dismiss them. You make it so much easier than it should be for Pete Buttigeig to peel off votes from Warren then blame Sanders for it. It's own goal inception.
P.S. That part of M4A nobody's talking about in Warren's bill from your post above...Bernie and Ro Khana proposed the same concept in a bill. You'd really like his plans if they weren't his.
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the next guy
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the next guy
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the next guy
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Putin has his masters too. If Mikhal Fridman and Leonid Mikhelson wanted vladmir gone he would be.
Looks like Pete is tanking Warren. She has to go after him at the next debate or she's gonna be in trouble. Just winning Massachusetts on Super Tuesday will be horrifying.
I need this to come to down to her and Bernie. Let's go Warren heads help her out
I need this to come to down to her and Bernie. Let's go Warren heads help her out
FukkaPaidEmail
Retired Hoodrat whisperer
Warren is tanking and nikkas are blaming Bernie and his supporters 
We was saying for weeks her not acknowledging the taxes shyt would bite her in the ass.Yall blind Stan ass nikkas just refused to see it
You can’t be standing next to a nikka with basically the same plan and Juelz about taxes when the dude that wrote the damn bill straight up
says taxes will go up ..
It just looks funny In the light
add that to the Native American and Being a republican shyt and now you have a narrative
She’s still my number two but come the fukk on
We was saying for weeks her not acknowledging the taxes shyt would bite her in the ass.Yall blind Stan ass nikkas just refused to see it
You can’t be standing next to a nikka with basically the same plan and Juelz about taxes when the dude that wrote the damn bill straight up
says taxes will go up ..
It just looks funny In the light
add that to the Native American and Being a republican shyt and now you have a narrative
She’s still my number two but come the fukk on