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His ascent is driving a wedge between Iowa progressives. Warren supporters I talked with in the state told me that, while they may not find Buttigieg sufficiently progressive on certain issues, they’re dazzled by his intellect and attracted to his folksy charm. Most Sanders backers, though, tended to feel the opposite: Buttigieg, they told me—with his elite education, his moderate policy positions, and his appeals to Donald Trump–wary Republicans—represents everything that’s wrong with the current Democratic Party.
both of these are stupid AF reasons to support/oppose someone and further proof why i think so many americans are dumb as a box of rocks...

btw i hate the word "folksy"...just sounds like bland ass white middle/southern america...fukk your "folksy" :childplease:
 

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That's on Warren for pushing out a Public Option stopgap and essentially co-signing what Pete and Joe have been saying all along. The left was critiquing her for months (sometimes warranted and yes, plenty of times unwarranted) and she was fine, this voting dropoff wasn't sparked by that. That's another one with plenty of receipts in this thread too.
Seems Sanders failed to lead from the front here with M4A. This was always going to be an issue when the debate about funding happened. :unimpressed:
 

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Cut the shyt man

People attacked her unfairly and congrats...the two people we don't want to win are literally at the top now.
National primary and state polls are going to look different in a month. We haven't had a large person Dem field like this in awhile. Here's an old 538 article talking about primary polls being inaccurate until the final weeks. Iowa historically is very volatile and most people don't make up their mind until the last second

On average, a poll conducted on the day just before the election has missed the final margin between the candidates by about 4 percentage points. That is reasonably good; the comparable statistic for state polls in presidential general elections is something like 2 or 3 points, and primaries and caucuses are much more challenging to poll.

However, the errors have increased significantly the further you go out. Polls conducted just three days before the primary have missed by an average of about 7 points, and those conducted a week out have missed by about 10.

And the whole period from about one week to two weeks before the primary has been a disaster, with an average miss of about 12 points. That’s just the average, not even the worst of it; quite a few polls, especially in Florida and South Carolina, missed by 20 or more points.

Things, oddly, actually get a bit better when you go further back than that. Polls conducted a month before the primary have missed by an average of about 9 points — actually a bit better than those only a week or so in advance.

A Warning on the Accuracy of Primary Polls
 

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both of these are stupid AF reasons to support/oppose someone and further proof why i think so many americans are dumb as a box of rocks...

btw i hate the word "folksy"...just sounds like bland ass white middle/southern america...fukk your "folksy" :childplease:
The I'd go to drag karaoke with him so He has my vote crowd. :blessed:
 

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Seems Sanders failed to lead from the front here with M4A. This was always going to be an issue when the debate about funding happened. :unimpressed:

He literally acknowledged that taxes are gonna increase and that's all it took, I even warned the Warren G's that she was wading into an unnecessary fight:yeshrug:.
 

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He literally acknowledged that taxes are gonna increase and that's all it took, I even warned the Warren G's that she was wading into an unnecessary fight:yeshrug:.
Again, Bernie is going to have issues when it comes to implementation especially with regard to funding.

He can't avoid it if he's serious about M4A. With public support waning and that being his signature issue he's going to feel the burn over public perception changing as well.
 

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Again, Bernie is going to have issues when it comes to implementation especially with regard to funding.

He can't avoid it if he's serious about M4A. With public support waning and that being his signature issue he's going to feel the burn over public perception changing as well.
This is what bothers me.

Warren did Sanders homework...and caught hell for it.
 

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@FAH1223 Sam Seder came out defending Warren today strongly and called out people attacking M4A unfairly

Jamie is out here being a dumbass again



Time stamps? shyt gets so awkward because you can tell Sam likes Warren and is pragmatic on a lot of issues but the rest of the folks on set are cultist.
 

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Again, Bernie is going to have issues when it comes to implementation especially with regard to funding.

He can't avoid it if he's serious about M4A. With public support waning and that being his signature issue he's going to feel the burn over public perception changing as well.

I mean...if we want to discuss the messaging and public perception battle, that's one thing. But in terms of implementation, he's given us a pretty decent window into the plan and even Matthew Yglesias acknowledged that his plan is the one wonks would suggest. This was while drawing a direct comparison between Bernie and Warren's M4A plans mind you (full disclosure he like all damn near everyone on the left acknowledges that passing M4A is going to be extremely challenging).

Plan described
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/down...4ADD-8C1F-0DEDC8D45BC1&download=1&inline=file

An old potential funding options sheet Bernie had because he was even talking about options a while back
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/options-to-finance-medicare-for-all?inline=file

Yglesias saying that Bernie went for practicality over political strategy.
The Sanders-Warren dispute about how to pay for Medicare-for-all, explained

Here's the part I'm alluding to
But the plans candidates release are illustrative of how they think about things, and this particular case is interesting because it runs somewhat contrary to the stereotype.

Warren has much more of a reputation as the uber-wonk with plans for everything, while Sanders is seen more as a moralist and a populist who cares less about the technical merits of proposals than whether they illustrate underlying points.

In this particular case, however, that dynamic is reversed. It’s Warren whose plan optimizes for easily illustrating the point that almost everyone’s costs will go down, even at the cost of embracing a vision that’s not going to be technically sustainable for very long. She’s then vague about the timing of the transition off her plan, and is going to transition to something that’s probably a worse deal for many people than a more technocratic alternative would be.

Sanders, by contrast, is proposing a big new broad tax, even though big new broad taxes tend to be unpopular. This is how foreign single-payer systems are typically designed, and it’s almost certainly what a team of policy wonks would recommend if they were setting all political considerations aside.
 
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