2016 NBA Draft and beyond (labelplant edition).. 4/4/16 UPDATE: 2017 Draft Big Board

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He's a bigger Anderson imo and I think will be more versatile

I think he has more upside then Bridges who's a tweensr

I'd take him over Tatum to.Tatum to me is a black hole. Poor mans Melo

Fox is close. I love his speed but a pg who can't shoot is very limited in today's NBA

Yeah, I'm assuming Fox becomes respectable from 3 but if not then it's the wrong call on my end.

Tatum is a blackhole right now so I can see the argument there.

Bridges is going to be a good role player. He has that bull strength and speed to guard 1-4 so I don't think he will fail like many other tweeners did...A better PJ Tucker.

The rest of the lottery is going to change though but I feel confident my top 7 is locked in place.
 

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I looked up Bridges ISO and PnR numbers and they were pathetic. He will make his living off-ball having shots created for him.

I can't deny Dennis' production off an injury...

I thought his indifference he's shown on defense would bother you more. I have Josh above him but I battle between him and Lonzo.
 

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I thought his indifference he's shown on defense would bother you more. I have Josh above him but I battle between him and Lonzo.

All young guards are usually like that. They usually fall asleep off-ball and are disinterested in defending on-ball unless its a marquee matchup. Fultz and Ball have the same issue. Heck, Ball did a great job on Fultz last night. Its something they'll grow out of and all 3 are nightmares when they actually lock in and engage on D.

The top 4 is all on the same tier...Fultz is the youngest and Jackson is the oldest which is probably the biggest distinguishing factor in ordering them for me.
 

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All young guards are usually like that. They usually fall asleep off-ball and are disinterested in defending on-ball unless its a marquee matchup. Fultz and Ball have the same issue. Heck, Ball did a great job on Fultz last night. Its something they'll grow out of and all 3 are nightmares when they actually lock in and engage on D.

The top 4 is all on the same tier...Fultz is the youngest and Jackson is the oldest which is probably the biggest distinguishing factor in ordering them for me.

Dennis is my guy but he's one that I worry about needing the ball a lot to produce? Is that a worry for you. I feel like Fultz and Lonzo can both be effective even if they aren't high usage guys immediately.
 
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Dennis is my guy but he's one that I worry about needing the ball a lot to produce? Is that a worry for you. I feel like Fultz and Lonzo can both be effective even if they aren't high usage guys immediately.

My worry is that he'll be in the mold of a Francis/Marbury/Arenas a ballhogging volume shooter but I think or hope he'll be less ball dominant and less a chucker then them
 

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Dennis is my guy but he's one that I worry about needing the ball a lot to produce? Is that a worry for you. I feel like Fultz and Lonzo can both be effective even if they aren't high usage guys immediately.

He definitely has to be on-ball and doesn't have the versatility to play off other shot creators. My biggest issue with Dennis is that he is more of a north-south guy than a guy who uses change of direction which might hurt his pull-up game against bigger/longer defenders...thats more a cosmetic/stylistic issue though than anything that will impact his overall production.
 

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I'm also starting to think Frank Ntilikina is a SG who can initiate the offense. Might be the best SG in the draft *not counting Fultz/Jackson*, if that is the case.
 

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my big board from what i've seen..

1. Markelle Fultz
2. Lonzo Ball
3. Dennis Smith Jr
4. Josh Jackson
5. Jonathan Isaac
6. Malik Monk
7. Frank Ntilikina
8. De'Aaron Fox
9. Jayson Tatum
10. Miles Bridges
11. Lauri Markkanen
12. Justin Patton
13. Harry Giles
14. Josh Hart

I'm surprised you still have Harry Giles in the late lottery...he looks really unathletic compared to before. He looks completely different. Do you think he'll get back to where he was before his last surgery?
 

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How's his shooting? That's the one knock I've heard

He isn't a bad shooter at all but he will have to speed up his release. Its a lot of wind-up probably because he has Dhalsim arms.

Frank's biggest issue is he doesn't have great burst but he has crossovers and hesitations plus size so I don't think it'll matter.

I'm surprised you still have Harry Giles in the late lottery...he looks really unathletic compared to before. He looks completely different. Do you think he'll get back to where he was before his last surgery?

I think he should be given a few years before writing him off. The potential upside of Giles is worth the risk of taking him over some roleplayer at the end of the lottery. At worst, I think he gets to rotational big at the NBA level.
 

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I think Josh is the second best prospect breh. I know you've got Lonzo and Dennis ahead of him but I just think he's the second best prospect especially with the recent shooting.
 

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I think Josh is the second best prospect breh. I know you've got Lonzo and Dennis ahead of him but I just think he's the second best prospect especially with the recent shooting.

Think you might be right about him over DSJ but I think Lonzo will be easier to build a top offense around.
 

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Think you might be right about him over DSJ but I think Lonzo will be easier to build a top offense around.

I think Lonzo has a more stable floor immediately. Whereas Josh may take a year to find his footing if he's played as a point forward.

Dennis is kind of showing rondo tendencies with how he's dealing with this season.
 
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