2012 Chicago Bulls Off Season Thread

What's it gone be Chicago Fans?

  • 4th Seed, here we come!!!

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  • fukk Loozer. He aint bout shyt!!

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  • nikka :what:

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So congratulations, Houston -- it looks like Chef Linguini is likely all yours.
On to the next question: Is he worth it?
That's a bit of an eye-of-the-beholder question. Asik's advanced stats support the subjective viewpoint that he's one of the five or 10 best defensive players in basketball, and defense in general tends to be wildly underrated in the free-agent market (although weirdly, not in the draft). He is also, objectively, a monstrous rebounder, with his 20.1 rebound rate ranking sixth in the NBA last season.
Asik is a terrible offensive player, however, with bad hands, poor touch and a proclivity for illegal screens. Advanced stats seem to indicate that he takes away almost as much with his offense as he does with his defense -- but that overall he's a plus, even compared to the league average.
And that, in the big picture, makes him a second-tier starting center. And you know how much those are worth? About $8 million a year. Houston should know; they just paid nearly the same amount to the departed Samuel Dalembert.
Houston will hope Asik can improve on that prognosis by upping his offensive production to slightly less pathetic levels, with the tutelage of Kevin McHale, but even so his defense justifies the contract.
It also helps that Houston gets somebody under lock and key before re-signing its own free agents. The cap holds for Lee and Goran Dragic are low enough that it behooves the Rockets to use the cap space first, and then rebuild their backcourt.
From there, Houston can go in any number of directions, depending on Dwight Howard's availability and the market for Kyle Lowry. But first they took care of the most urgent need; if the Bulls don't match, the Rockets will have a real starting center this year, and they won't be overpaying for him.
 

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I wasnt sure if everyone had espn insider, so this is the article from Hollinger. The bulls would be idiots to match
 

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im seeing that we can work something out before the 11th in a sign and trade. if they can gotta do it



still pretty sad. 2 seasons the bulls knew this day was coming and did nothing to cover themselves on it. they just banked on no team willing to back load in the manner that houston did and it blew up in they face.

garpax: "aint nobody go hit asik with that type of money" :shaq2:


houston: :russ: :obama::youngsabo::win:

bulls: :damn::huhldup::what:

just poor management. you roll that dice and take that shot for dwight, d will etc

not for a damn back up center.

just pitiful.
 

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This is a fukking nightmare.

only thing we can do at this time is flip asik for something. if we can

match him, but with the intention of sending him somewhere before the deadline. just cant get hit with that

and the 2nd thing the bulls have to do, is what i and many others have been saying for the last couple of off seasons, get used to being a damn tax team. balling on a budget dont work in the league. not to say you throw ridiculous amounts to all types of players, but stop being afraid to go 5-12 mill over the tax. you just might have to do it.

whether asik stays or not, the bulls are going into the tax in a season or two. unless they are going to let everyone go, but again that plan sailed on draft night. so play the cards you dealt your damn self bulls.

the bulls paying the tax anyway, question is will that tax be for some legit pieces who can help us win some rings, or will it just be for asik, korver kirk hinrich and some other half decent vet we get at the vet min? thats up to them.

meanwhile as fans this is just embarrassing. boston old azz up there retooling like a mug but we down here in our pockets trying to peel the singles out the bank roll full of hundreds.
 

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wow... why wasnt dude traded last deadline to houston? now they just gonna snake him away. SCUST
 

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maybe Mirotic and snaking a potential lottery pick out of MJ
:comeon:

Drafting Gibson like 26

Getting Asik for 3 2nd rounders
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good point

Here's why none of those things are good points...

Mirotic is a question mark, and even though he is balling overseas we have to wait. On top of waiting, the Bulls still need help at SG, and instead of using a pick on MarShon Brooks, they take this Euro who won't be here for another year (3 year wait total) and then they turn around and select Jimmy Butler who has no chance at starting as long as Deng is here. Absolutely NONE.

Drafting Gibson at 26 is also meh considering they blew a pick on James Johnson at 16, AND they dealt Thabo away for Taj. Yeah, I love Taj's game, but Thabo is just as valuable and wasting that pick on JJ is a joke.

Getting 3 second rounders for Asik? How exactly is that a good move? Look what they did with him? Let him get GM's around the league wet, and not flip him for anything. Now he's going to get paid and they're talking about matching.

This front office is trash. Complete utter garbage.
 

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Here's why none of those things are good points...

Mirotic is a question mark, and even though he is balling overseas we have to wait. On top of waiting, the Bulls still need help at SG, and instead of using a pick on MarShon Brooks, they take this Euro who won't be here for another year (3 year wait total) and then they turn around and select Jimmy Butler who has no chance at starting as long as Deng is here. Absolutely NONE.

Drafting Gibson at 26 is also meh considering they blew a pick on James Johnson at 16, AND they dealt Thabo away for Taj. Yeah, I love Taj's game, but Thabo is just as valuable and wasting that pick on JJ is a joke.

Getting 3 second rounders for Asik? How exactly is that a good move? Look what they did with him? Let him get GM's around the league wet, and not flip him for anything. Now he's going to get paid and they're talking about matching.

This front office is trash. Complete utter garbage.
cant disagree on any of that

worst part about it, instead of the bulls front office grabbing they cubans and showing the league they not to be fukked with and making some moves that have the league like :leon:

they will find some other conservative way of smoothing this out

likely matching asik, picking up kirk, bringing back korver, signing john lucas and scalabrine back and some other vet min player like anthony parker.

then these idiots will present this to us like :win:

and we go be like :snoop:
 

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wow... why wasnt dude traded last deadline to houston? now they just gonna snake him away. SCUST

could have traded him to houston. could have traded him to memphis. could have traded him to cleveland. could have traded him to portland. and im guessing asik could have been flipped to atl for crawford, or to the bobcats for stephen jackson if we packaged asik with some expirings.

but nope we banked on nobody back loading. houston just pimp slapped us. at worst we could have gotten courtney lee and one of they 1st round picks were we seen all the talent that fell in the 14-18th picks. so we could have picked another 7ft player whom thibs would have made a defensive beast. yep i think thibs can make another omer. but maybe this new omer would be able to score better.

we dropped the ball. fell off the skateboard.
 

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How does blowing the James Johnson pick change the fact that Taj at 26 was a good pick?

And give me Taj>Thabo, we were able to get a good defensive 2 that can't shoot in Brewer.

And trading the 3 2nd rounder for Asik was a good move, regardless of how this shakes out. This isn't like trading a bunch of shyt for a top 5 pick and letting him walk after two years.
 

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I STILL CANT BELIEVE THESE nikkaS DIDNT TRADE NOAH/DENG.
I get the feeling they're going to try and rush Rose back :smh:


:aicmon: DID YOU SEE HOW LONG THEY SET ROSE OUT LAST SEASON?
NOW THEY GONNA RUSH HIM BACK FROM A TORN ACL ALL OF A SUDDEN?
:devil:
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