2/8/24 ESPN: Teofimo Lopez vs Jamaine Ortiz (WBO Super Lightweight Title) / Keyshawn Davis vs Jose Pedraza

[O.T.I.S.]

6 rounds Ortiz out punched Teo.
5 rounds Teo out punched Ortiz.
1 round equal amount thrown.

5 rounds Ortiz out landed Teo.
3 rounds Teo out landed Ortiz.
4 rounds Teo and Ortiz landed the same amount.

And this is what I mean too… especially when I said at best it could’ve been a draw

It was a close fight it seems, and technically Ortiz could’ve won by points.

But judges not going to give the challenger the win unless it’s rigged.

Ortiz had to come to take the titles. Either by KO or an amazing performance that would leave no doubts. It was too close to give him anything, especially if he was backing up all night, not really showing ring generalship on the backfoot all night.

My coach always told me to go forward. Someone like Floyd is the only one I've seen go backwards and consistently get wins, but usually it’s because he put on a great show or clearly outclassed/out pointed someone and showed ring generalship as well.

Ortiz didn’t do that and it showed. He might have landed a few more punches

I can see a draw because Lopez did rally back after 7.
It's been plenty of fighters that won titles with the hit and don't get hit gameplan going back to James J Corbett beating John Sullivan

Agreed its not impossible but its not regular

 

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And this is what I mean too… especially when I said at best it could’ve been a draw

It was a close fight it seems, and technically Ortiz could’ve won by points.

But judges not going to give the challenger the win unless it’s rigged.

Ortiz had to come to take the titles. Either by KO or an amazing performance that would leave no doubts. It was too close to give him anything, especially if he was backing up all night, not really showing ring generalship on the backfoot all night.

My coach always told me to go forward. Someone like Floyd is the only one I've seen go backwards and consistently get wins, but usually it’s because he put on a great show or clearly outclassed/out pointed someone and showed ring generalship as well.

Ortiz didn’t do that and it showed. He might have landed a few more punches

Agreed its not impossible but its not regular

Doesn't that thought process okays corruption?

If someone should technically win but doesn't because they didnt fight in an exciting way despite the champion looking lost and not being able to adjust then isn't that corrupt judging?

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Doesn't that thought process okays corruption?

If someone should technically win but doesn't because they didnt fight in an exciting way despite the champion looking lost and not being able to adjust then isn't that corrupt judging?

Not really, because they’re judges… your punch connect and output doesn’t mean you win a fight. They judge other levels of this

Which is why i said, on paper technically he did more but it wasn’t much and might’ve not been in enough rounds

I believe that score was complete bullshyt but judges who like ring generalship might not give him certain rounds

 

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Not really, because they’re judges… your punch connect and output doesn’t mean you win a fight. They judge other levels of this

Which is why i said, on paper technically he did more but it wasn’t much and might’ve not been in enough rounds

I believe that score was complete bullshyt but judges who like ring generalship might not give him certain rounds

What I meant was if you see the challenger is marginally better but give the round to the champ because you don't feel like the challenger is "taking it to the champion", then isn't that a problem?

Ortiz was dictating what was going on in the ring. He was able to get in flurry and get out of range, keeping Lopez from executing his gameplan.
Lopez baited him to stand in front and Ortiz went in and get the best of the exchange. Isn't that ring generalship?

 

[O.T.I.S.]

What I meant was if you see the challenger is marginally better but give the round to the champ because you don't feel like the challenger is "taking it to the champion", then isn't that a problem?

Ortiz was dictating what was going on in the ring. He was able to get in flurry and get out of range, keeping Lopez from executing his gameplan.
Lopez baited him to stand in front and Ortiz went in and get the best of the exchange. Isn't that ring generalship?

No, not necessarily

He wasn’t necessarily better if he didn’t look it. Maybe they’re not counting the punches connected in real time, but the effects of the punch, the RING GENERALSHIP (like who’s scared? You look scared running backwards or running from every encounter), etc.

Like I said, I have to watch it myself then be the judge. But from what I saw, idk if im taking it from a champ that way.

 

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No, not necessarily

He wasn’t necessarily better if he didn’t look it. Maybe they’re not counting the punches connected in real time, but the effects of the punch, the RING GENERALSHIP (like who’s scared? You look scared running backwards or running from every encounter), etc.

Like I said, I have to watch it myself then be the judge. But from what I saw, idk if im taking it from a champ that way.

That is where the issue is. I didn't see it as running or looking scared. It was very similar to the cuban amateur style.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

That is where the issue is. I didn't see it as running or looking scared. It was very similar to the cuban amateur style.

That style doesn’t work here though

Thats my point.

 

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That style doesn’t work here though

Thats my point.

From a fundamental standpoint we are just going to go around in circles.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

From a fundamental standpoint we are just going to go around in circles.

We are

“Cuban style” type running isn’t going to win you a championship title… unless youre in cuba maybe

Same shyt happened to Lara and that nikka was actually running

Some judges take points AWAY for that shyt

 

[HTXBreh]

Didn't the ring golden boy Crawford have Ortiz winning

He bias Teo been talking crazy

 

[HTXBreh]

I mean it's a reason why Americans don't dominate the Olympics in boxing.Things hear geared towards going pro.That amateur point style is not prize fighting.

 

[R=G]

A coward exposed

 

[R=G]

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Alright.. after 2 rounds, i see how homie loss

Yeah.. he was running. A lot of times, he was moving with no point. He wasn’t trying to set anything up, he was just trying not to get hit.

Most notably, i said its cool if you get to the center of the ring to establish ring generalship.. but as soon as buddy got to the middle hes backing up to the ropes, moving without throwing, etc

Some Judges aren’t going to give you a belt like that

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Yeah… this is a horrible fight.

Ortiz get one straight to the body and he’s on the otherside of the ring back against the ropes.

Dude was on the bike most times not trying to throw, just trying nit to get cornered or engage.

It’s an ugly fight to watxh, and judges are not gifting you the keys after acting in that manner