Now maybe hopefully people won't deal in complete black and whites in boxing when there's shades of grey, we have to look at the history of a fighter and what they've done, who've they've fought, not just knocking out bums, people got fooled something crazy. Wilder is still a bad ass, so he shouldn't get treated like shyt either, he's not a bum at all, he's a very good fighter in my opinion, but he's limited because he relies on the power too much and his unwillingness to challenge himself has really hindered him. I said to somebody his delusion at some point will come back to be his destruction, he was mocking Fury saying he has pillow fists and look what happened. He got caught up in his own false hype, what's real about Wilder is his power, but it's also real he's consistently ducked and cherry picked and he had real improvements he should have made. He can still come back because his power is a great asset and it will always give him a chance as long as he has it, but his head got way too big for what he has achieved, he wasn't really a true champion by avoiding so many opponents, very good fighter overall but largely untested, first elite test today and spectacularly failed.