1990s NBA teams vs Current teams.

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It really is interesting how many of today's - let's call it - 30+ year olds are struggling to come to grips with the POSSIBILITY that the superstars and teams and styles of past eras in their lifetime are not invincible...i.e. the 80s-90s players and teams

It's almost like we are those who we talk shyt about for not being realistic - i.e. People who say Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, Bill Russell, etc. are the best ever without question. I'm now beginning to understand how that mindset can be in place.
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Only one team ran a triangle

There was only one Don Nelson

Jazz did the PnR.

you either had a big man or you did isolation if you didnt have a system.

And the Warriors offense is not the same as the Rockets offense. And you still have archaic offenses like Memphis, Wizards, and Charlotte.


Almost Every elite team had their own identity and ran different offenses..I didn't feel like going down the list..

Its all pick and roll based Warriors and Rockets run the same 1 4 Pick and roll..or 1 5 pnr....there are at least 9 teams who run the same variation of the same offense
 

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ehh. i enjoy the NBA from top-to-bottom more now, but i cant agree with the thread. really, it depends on the matchups. im not gonna sit here and compare them all in general.

some of these current teams either dont have the IT factor or theyre too soft. or both. hell, some of these teams crumbled under pressure amongst their peers.

a team like say the clippers would get washed by the '90s knicks.

and some of those '90s teams actually fit better in todays landscape. the '90s sonics couldve taken the chip this year. and im not even talking about those mid-90s sonics that were always in title contention. im speaking on the early '90s squad when they were still creepin on ah comeup.
 

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ehh. i enjoy the NBA from top-to-bottom more now, but i cant agree with the thread. really, it depends on the matchups. im not gonna sit here and compare them all in general.

some of these current teams either dont have the IT factor or theyre too soft. or both. hell, some of these teams crumbled under pressure amongst their peers.

a team like say the clippers would get washed by the '90s knicks.

and some of those '90s teams actually fit better in todays landscape. the '90s sonics couldve taken the chip this year. and im not even talking about those mid-90s sonics that were always in title contention. im speaking on the early '90s squad when they were still creepin on ah comeup.

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What???? Craig Hodges is arguably the greatest 3pt shooter that ever done it.

The issue is how the NBA transformed to Euro-ball and adapted for more international appeal. Also they wanted a faster pace game with higher scoring volume which is why the SHORTEN the 3pt line which made it easier for people to make and more people to attempt.

90's players were more diverse in talent and skill and had more discipline.
90's players were trash for the most part. 80's ball produced way more points. With minimal 3pt shooting.
 

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The high screen from these PG's now is extremely dangerous, because of the fact that if you try and go under it they will fire away, and if you switch on it your PG is now defending a PF who will just go into the post. You ask what PF's put the ball on the floor and not many, but plenty will immediately take a smaller player into the post when there's a switch. That 3 point shooting effects damn near every aspect on the offensive end, it is really dangerous and has essentially made a 6'3" skinny light bright dude the most unguardable player in the league.

The Bulls were the best, but their roster from 91-93 was not equipped to play small. They could put Grant at the 5, but then there's absolutely nothing they could do with their 4 man because that squad didn't have really anything after him. The point is, roster changes would need to be made, and that is the real point, almost every thread on here got somebody living in the past and saying that the Pacers/Knicks could beat the Warriors or some shyt. Like the non-elite teams from those days have any hope vs the non-elite teams today, but because they played in the 90s they are given a bonus.


And nobody has been able to say how a team that takes 10 threes a game and makes 3 could hang with one that takes 28 and makes 12.

if we saw how bron beasted when he actually took his ass in the post (which he hates to do)..you don't think patrick ewing woulda feasted?

they also woulda flatlined scrawny ass curry if he dared take his ass in the paint :heh:
 
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A better argument is the travesty that the Eastern Conference has been the past decade and how thats led to a league basically playing at 75% capacity...

For example the year the Bulls won 72 games nobody in the conference made the playoffs without being over .500..The 2 seed in the conference that year (Orlando) won over 60 games and they faced a 64 win Sonics team in the Finals that were 38-3 at home...

The East had 3 teams that weren't over .500 make the playoffs this year... So when we talk about team play we can't leave that out of the discussion..


Also players took a lot less time to develop and were more NBA ready as rookies in the 90's...

Look at some of the first year stat lines for players drafted in the 90's


David Robinson 24 ppg 12 rpg 4 bpg
Derrick Colemen 19 ppg 10 rpg
Larry Johnson 19 ppg 11 rpg
Alonzo Mourning 21 ppg 10 rpg 3.5 bg
Shaquille O'Neal 24 ppg 14 rpf 3.5 bpg
Allen Iverson 24 ppg 8 apg 2.2 sp


Andrew Wiggins is supposed to be the second coming of Jesus in sneakers and averaged 16.9 ppg on 43% shooting for a team that had the worst record in the league...Michael Carter Williams the ROY the year before did the same thing for a trash Philly team...


I think the combination of a historicaly poor Eastern conference and younger players beng less physically and mentally prepared to dominate from day 1 is a knock on the current era...

But yeah they do take and make a lot more 3's....Yet nobody in this era is in the top 20 of the highest scoring teams in NBA history...Because turnovers, freethrows and high percentage shot attempts still matter...

the fundamentals are gone. plain and simple.
 

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That's right guys, CRAIG HODGES is the best 3-point shooter ever. Not the slew of players since who have put up similar percentages on considerably higher volume.

Now, I know you're going to point to his season where he shot 49% from there (on less than 3 attempts :russ:) as the ultimate evidence, but consider the fact that, as Bird himself said, teams didn't even bother defending 3-pointers in the 80s unless it was the last 2 minutes. Kyle Korver has seasons where he's shot 47%, 49%, and 54% (:dwillhuh::whew:) from there on 4-7 attempts and this dude talking about Craig Hodges is the best to ever do it. And then you got dudes like Steph Curry and Steve Nash taking dudes off the dribble and still shooting over 40% from there. As the primary ballhandlers! Damn old heads and their nostalgia:scust:
Nostalgia dudes and Michael Jordan fans are the worst fans in Basketball. Their stupidity goes to great depths. We have adv stats and game tape which pretty much shows how our mind is playing tricks on us in terms of how good actual players were in the 90's. As the Blazer fan mention, the gap from today to 1992 is massive. That's not to say with the training and development we have today, they couldn't be as good but it is to say that they were better or even close in comparison to now.

Wait for a stupid Michael Jordan hyperbole which is common on this site. :scust:
 

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the fundamentals are gone. plain and simple.
Stupid posting I tell ya :snoop:

Dudes can dribble from multiple positions better than any time in history. We have the most advanced offensive and defensive schemes today than anytime in NBA history. We know a lot more about the human body than anytime in history. Guys understand the game of Basketball right now than ANYTIME in history and yet you say fundamentals are gone. Have you watched a regular season game from the 80's and 90's recently.

The 80's was built on poor wingspan guys relying on mid range jumpers, pace and fast breaks for offense. Hell look at Denver of the 80's. Them dudes played less than zero defense. The 90's was even worse, less overall talent due to weaken college for whatever reason and expansion of the league caused some of the most physical, less skilled nonsense I've seen in the NBA in it's time. Then the early 2000's was a complete mess due to lack of fundamentals and talent and by the mid to late 2000's, the talent level seriously increase and the league improved for it.

I kid you know, most older fans who just go off of memory are some of the most dumb MF's to talk sports.
 

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A better argument is the travesty that the Eastern Conference has been the past decade and how thats led to a league basically playing at 75% capacity...

For example the year the Bulls won 72 games nobody in the conference made the playoffs without being over .500..The 2 seed in the conference that year (Orlando) won over 60 games and they faced a 64 win Sonics team in the Finals that were 38-3 at home...

The East had 3 teams that weren't over .500 make the playoffs this year... So when we talk about team play we can't leave that out of the discussion..


Also players took a lot less time to develop and were more NBA ready as rookies in the 90's...

Look at some of the first year stat lines for players drafted in the 90's


David Robinson 24 ppg 12 rpg 4 bpg
Derrick Colemen 19 ppg 10 rpg
Larry Johnson 19 ppg 11 rpg
Alonzo Mourning 21 ppg 10 rpg 3.5 bg
Shaquille O'Neal 24 ppg 14 rpf 3.5 bpg
Allen Iverson 24 ppg 8 apg 2.2 sp
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DRob was drafted in 1987 and his rookie season was 1989. I know this because I was like the only Spurs fan at my HS at the time....:skip:
 
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