12/12 ESPN: Shakur Stevenson vs Toka Kahn Clary / Felix Verdejo vs Masayoshi Nakatani

[TheNig]

Shakur needs to figure out a way to get these guys outta here so it's not going 12. Work on new setups/entries, punch selection, something so that he can force stoppages and each round doesn't look like a repeat of each other.

The problem isn't the technique. The problem is he doesn't have the pop. Bruh has almost no punching power. Not for lack of trying. He just doesn't sit in one place long enough to sit in his punches.

I haven't seen a fighter put punches together like him since Manny so I don't think that's it at all.

 

[Master Teacher]

Shakur needs to figure out a way to get these guys outta here so it's not going 12. Work on new setups/entries, punch selection, something so that he can force stoppages and each round doesn't look like a repeat of each other.

lmao, the guy was shelling up and not given Shakur much to work with,, he already quit and was just trying to survive

Skakur is a discipline fighter he not gonna stop doing what he trained to do to get a KO when he getting an easy victory

exact opposite with Colbert fight where he was in pocket getting hit with some stuff trying to get his opponent to open up, because he was trying to get the KO

It's the same with Haney, Gamboa shelled up and said fukk it, I ain't giving this guy anything to work with, hoping Haney would get frustrated and try to get in the exchanges in pocket to open up but he stayed discipline, and just dominated because Gamboa was allowing him to dominate

everything ain't about the KO, you have to see what its happening the fight

 

[Bigblackted4]

lmao, the guy was shelling up and not given Shakur much to work with,, he already quit and was just trying to survive

Skakur is a discipline fighter he not gonna stop doing what he trained to do to get a KO when he getting an easy victory

exact opposite with Colbert fight where he was in pocket getting hit with some stuff trying to get his opponent to open up, because he was trying to get the KO

It's the same with Haney, Gamboa shelled up and said fukk it, I ain't giving this guy anything to work with, hoping Haney would get frustrated and try to get in the exchanges in pocket to open up but he stayed discipline, and just dominated because Gamboa was allowing him to dominate

everything ain't about the KO, you have to see what its happening the fight

This is cause for concern to me because if a guy can’t hurt you why not go for the KO. All the greats went for KOs and got them at levels Haney and Shakur are fighting at

 

[Master Teacher]

This is cause for concern to me because if a guy can’t hurt you why not go for the KO. All the greats went for KOs and got them at levels Haney and Shakur are fighting at

Because you developed bad habits its muscle memory, so you stay focused and defensive responsible no matter how good you are doing, because one mistake and can get hurt or KO'd, so when you fighting against better competition you have the same mentality

all the greats did not for KO's, thats casual talk, shakur beat this guy up, displayed greatness, he getting better and better, his last fight he KO'd somebody with a body punch what are you talking about, He fighting against veteran with 28 fights and dominating him in his 15 fight, SHakur been fighting real competition, just because they not names don't mean they solid thats what you casuals don't understand

This guy was a veteran who know how survive he didn't want to win he just didn't want to get KO'd so he did what he had to do to make sure he didn't get KOd, not everybody know how to survive

 

[Bigblackted4]

Because you developed bad habits its muscle memory, so you stay focused and defensive responsible no matter how good you are doing, because one mistake and can get hurt or KO'd, so when you fighting against better competition you have the same mentality

all the greats did not for KO's, thats casual talk, shakur beat this guy up, displayed greatness, he getting better and better, his last fight he KO'd somebody with a body punch what are you talking about, He fighting against veteran with 28 fights and dominating him in his 15 fight, SHakur been fighting real competition, just because they not names don't mean they solid thats what you casuals don't understand

This guy was a veteran who know how survive he didn't want to win he just didn't want to get KO'd so he did what he had to do to make sure he didn't get KOd, not everybody know how to survive

Name me one great that wasn’t going for KOs he’ll even Pea was sparking dudes out at 135. When you don’t learn to press the gas at this level you never will and this is how you get guys that don’t let they hands go in the big moments. Floyd was a killer down there. Oscar was a killer, Mosley a killer. When they moved up is when they had to be more cautious but not killing and playing with your food isn’t a great sign.

What’s gone happen when one of these dudes go down and they need to press the issue. What experiences can they go on or muscle memory of just going for a KO.

 

[Master Teacher]

Name me one great that wasn’t going for KOs he’ll even Pea was sparking dudes out at 135. When you don’t learn to press the gas at this level you never will and this is how you get guys that don’t let they hands go in the big moments. Floyd was a killer down there. Oscar was a killer, Mosley a killer. When they moved up is when they had to be more cautious but not killing and playing with your food isn’t a great sign.

What’s gone happen when one of these dudes go down and they need to press the issue. What experiences can they go on or muscle memory of just going for a KO.

look at this casual nonsense, bring up sweat pea you don't know shyt about whittaker Stevenson is at 130, he still growing man lmao, he gonna be big ass hell he gonna be starching nikkaz at 135 and 140, and 147

since you wanna bring up sweat pea, 15 fights in lets see compared to stevenson is a who only has 15 fights right now

Whitaker had 9 KOs in his first 15 fights, Stevenson has 8 KO's in his first 15 fights, WHAT THE fukk ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT DUMB ASS, and whitaker lost his 16th fight to a mexican, not gonna happen to Stevenson he too discipline and too composed

So their KO rate and is identical, you're not going to win every fight by KO

Look at all the punishment Tank took, because he was trying to get the KO To appease people against Leo Santa Cruz

Tank had two black eyes after fighting Gamboa, Haney looked like he just came out the damn spa after that fight, like nothing even happened

its level to this shyt, this boxing get hoe babble talk outta here

yall the reason Jake Paul and Logan Paul the biggest stars in boxing right now

yall don't care about real boxing, you don't care about skills, you don't even want to take the time to understand the sport

 

[Thatrogueassdiaz]

I watched the fight. Verdejo will never be the same. He got absolutely beat down those last 3 rounds. That wasnt just a KO, Nahkatani broke him. Sad because verdejo has so much potential. But with a Loss like that he will never be the same.

 

[Bigblackted4]

look at this casual nonsense, bring up sweat pea you don't know shyt about whittaker Stevenson is at 130, he still growing man lmao, he gonna be big ass hell he gonna be starching nikkaz at 135 and 140, and 147

since you wanna bring up sweat pea, 15 fights in lets see compared to stevenson is a who only has 15 fights right now

Whitaker had 9 KOs in his first 15 fights, Stevenson has 8 KO's in his first 15 fights, WHAT THE fukk ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT DUMB ASS, and whitaker lost his 16th fight to a mexican, not gonna happen to Stevenson he too discipline and too composed

So their KO rate and is identical, you're not going to win every fight by KO

Look at all the punishment Tank took, because he was trying to get the KO To appease people against Leo Santa Cruz

Tank had two black eyes after fighting Gamboa, Haney looked like he just came out the damn spa after that fight, like nothing even happened

its level to this shyt, this boxing get hoe babble talk outta here

yall the reason Jake Paul and Logan Paul the biggest stars in boxing right now

yall don't care about real boxing, you don't care about skills, you don't even want to take the time to understand the sport

Your comparing numbers when you haven’t seen the fights recently. Go watch sweet pea early fights and tell me what he was doing. It’s not about caring about boxing it’s about seeing what skills will translate when people step up in competition.

Also you call somebody a causal but you don’t even know Whitaker was robbed in that fight badly but you haven’t watched that fight to know and just a boxrec fan I don’t even know why I’m going back and forth with you because you earned your badge proudly.

 

[Conscious Pilot]

I feel Shakur can clean out the 130 Top Rank Stable(Herring, Valdez, Berchelt maybe if Loma moves back down) but I wanna see a step up fight with an actual name next before that.

 

[Loose]

I got shakur beating tank ill place my bet now.

As far as haney/shakur both have ko power but they're smart and is not going to risk getting hit trying to go for highlights. Both have had great knockout highlights before if someone is fighting to survive no need to risk it all imo.

 

[desjardins]

Verdejo vs Nakatani was a good ass fight
Not going front the first half of the fight had me fantasizing about a Verdejo vs Lopez bout, Verdejo was looking sharp with the power shots
I agree with Bradely that it seemed like he gassed in the second half and the fatigue just took all his punch resistance away
He got buzzed once before but the way he went down from that jab was just .

Between this, the Zepeda Baranhcyz fight, Lopez vs Loma, and even Bud knocking out Brook.... TR been having some good ass fights in this second half of the year

 

[NormanConnors]

I got shakur beating tank ill place my bet now.

As far as haney/shakur both have ko power but they're smart and is not going to risk getting hit trying to go for highlights. Both have had great knockout highlights before if someone is fighting to survive no need to risk it all imo.

Facts


I dont believe Shakur did at first initially, he does now, breh is looking strong since his weight development

 

[patscorpio]

I feel Shakur can clean out the 130 Top Rank Stable(Herring, Valdez, Berchelt maybe if Loma moves back down) but I wanna see a step up fight with an actual name next before that.

Herring is a good dude but the clock is ticking on him as champion...if he faces Shakur he will prolly lose
Valdez wants no part of Shakur - the party is over if they ever fight and Valdez doesnt fight Berchelt

Berchelt could give Shakur a good scrap though

 

[patscorpio]

"It's something about those Japans" Tim Bradley

Timmy was never as entertaining on the mic as he was during Pac vs Horn - the heat and being sauced with Teddy

 

[patscorpio]

Nakatani Suffered Fractured Right Orbital Bone In Knockout Win Over Verdejo
By Keith Idec

Published On Mon Dec 14, 2020, 06:22 PM EST

Masayoshi Nakatani's comeback against Felix Verdejo was even more impressive than viewers might've realized Saturday night.

The Japanese lightweight contender didn’t just overcome the first two knockdowns of his career during his ninth-round knockout of Verdejo.

BoxingScene.com has learned that Nakatani suffered a fractured right orbital bone in their scheduled 10-round fight at MGM Grand Conference Center in Las Vegas.

X-rays taken at a Las Vegas hospital confirmed what Nakatani feared to be true, that he sustained an injury similar to what he endured in his 12-round, unanimous-decision defeat to Teofimo Lopez in July 2019. Nakatani, 31, will confer with a specialist this week upon returning to Japan to determine if surgery is necessary.

Regardless, the damage Nakatani suffered Saturday night will delay his return to the ring in 2021. The resilient Nakatani (19-1, 13 KOs) hopes his dramatic comeback against Puerto Rico’s Verdejo eventually leads to a rematch with Brooklyn’s Lopez (16-0, 12 KOs), who since has beaten one of the best boxers in the sport, Vasiliy Lomachenko, and won four lightweight world titles.

It initially seemed Saturday night that the 27-year-old Verdejo (27-2, 17 KOs) would be the contender to gain momentum toward a shot at Lopez’s championships. He knocked Nakatani to his gloves and knees with a right hand barely a minute into an entertaining encounter ESPN aired, but Nakatani survived that trouble.

Verdejo knocked Nakatani to one knee with another right hand 1:13 into the fourth round, yet Nakatani withstood that flash knockdown, too.

Nakatani trailed on all three scorecards – 78-72, 78-72 and 77-74 – entering the ninth round. He got the knockout he needed to win by sending Verdejo to the canvas twice in that fascinating ninth round.

A jarring jab by the tall, rangy Nakatani knocked Verdejo into the ropes and then to the canvas with 1:37 to go in the ninth round. Verdejo answered referee Celestino Ruiz’s count, but Nakatani quickly floored him again, this time face first, with a right hand to the side of Verdejo’s head.

Ruiz immediately stopped their fight following that second knockdown, at 1:45 of the ninth round.