[11/20/16] Pi'Raw & SDSet Present...The 30th Annual SURVIVOR SERIES PPV Live from Toronto, Canada

[Playaz Eyez]

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[puppetmaster]

Goldberg with the stored finishers lol

pretty much

 

[PlayerNinety_Nine]

Goldberg with the stored finishers lol

Got TJP to hook him up with the cheat code

 

[PYRRHUS 88]

It didn't deliver though.

3 hours into a show, after an insane 52 minute match, who really wanted to see Goldberg and Brock go back and forth trading holds? Or worse still, a bunch of german suplexes?

I can only speak for myself, but what I wanted out of Goldberg vs Brock was 1) Goldberg's entrance and 2) "a moment".

They delivered on both accounts. The second thing on my list was only enhanced by it being a squash that NOBODY was expecting. If they would have padded it out with 5-10 minutes of clumsy "WWE main event" action, the moment would have been diminished.

There's no way of knowing, but I'd guess that the crowd reaction after that 1 minute squash was better than it would have been after a 10 minute match between these two.

 

[cartierhoe]

No brehs, there's no spinning this

This was a waste of a main event. Miss me with the whole "Goldberg matches were always short" argument

yeah, against lower card wrestlers

Goldberg winning is not the problem, the way he won is. Made Lesnar look like a joke. Goldberg's matches with guys from the power plant were longer than this.

Now I'm hearing the rematch needs to happen....why? He's 2-0 against lesnar and the 2nd win is Braun vs Jobber status

This is what I'm saying lmao there's no justifying this in any way

 

[Playaz Eyez]

3 hours into a show, after an insane 52 minute match, who really wanted to see Goldberg and Brock go back and forth trading holds? Or worse still, a bunch of german suplexes?

I can only speak for myself, but what I wanted out of Goldberg vs Brock was 1) Goldberg's entrance and 2) "a moment".

They delivered on both accounts. The second thing on my list was only enhanced by it being a squash that NOBODY was expecting. If they would have padded it out with 5-10 minutes of clumsy "WWE main event" action, the moment would have been diminished.

There's no way of knowing, but I'd guess that the crowd reaction after that 1 minute squash was better than it would have been after a 10 minute match between these two.

Funny thing about this match is that it was basically the 04 match minus 8 opening minutes of growling and posing.

 

[cartierhoe]

I mean they had the self proclaimed beast incarnate looking like a Stroman jobber lmao. And don't give me the "Well that's what Goldberg does" argument because kayfabe wise he had more trouble beating him 12 years ago. This the type of shyt that made WCW die. Stop booking shyt for moments instead of logic.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

3 hours into a show, after an insane 52 minute match, who really wanted to see Goldberg and Brock go back and forth trading holds? Or worse still, a bunch of german suplexes?

I can only speak for myself, but what I wanted out of Goldberg vs Brock was 1) Goldberg's entrance and 2) "a moment".

They delivered on both accounts. The second thing on my list was only enhanced by it being a squash that NOBODY was expecting. If they would have padded it out with 5-10 minutes of clumsy "WWE main event" action, the moment would have been diminished.

There's no way of knowing, but I'd guess that the crowd reaction after that 1 minute squash was better than it would have been after a 10 minute match between these two.

i know somebody

 

[Rayzah]

It's your opinion. I ain't gonna call you names about it breh

I can go "obscure facts and useless wrestling knowledge" with anyone here but. ..

I'm fine with a wrestler getting caught slipping, it's good to be made to feel like you don't know everything that's gonna happen once in a while.

That's my point

Boxing is real. This isn't. Anyone who wants to pretend like the main event delivered is a fool.

What he said, every match doesn't have to be a 30 minute 5* classic to be considered a good main event.. what's being lost in people complaining about Goldberg being Goldberg was how good Brock sold that shyt, a guy who is criticized for not selling. He put Goldberg over like a million bucks as stone cold would say. It's sucks that you can't appreciate what was done well and can only see the thing that you didn't like.

 

[Kidd Dibiase]

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[DANJ!]

Brock inexplicably lost to Cena and HHH, he hasn't been an unstoppable monster in a long time, even though the WWE have tried to erase and rewrite history, as if 2013 wasn't just 3 years ago.

The Cena match was damn near 5 years ago (and we saw what happened the next time they wrestled), the HHH match was almost 4 years ago (and Lesnar beat him in 2 of their 3 matches)... lost one to Taker, only after breaking the streak and before beating him again in the Cell... only other thing we can even consider an L was the Royal Rumble (but everyone except for the winner "loses" that)... Brock has definitely been booked as unstoppable, or at the very least a threat to anyone in his path. Would I have RATHER seen a longer match? Sure. Am I mad at what happened? Nah. Because at the end of it all, we either get a legit rematch or Brock comes back from this by rollin' over another MF by Mania anyway.

SS was one of the better PPVs I've seen in awhile, and def. one of the best Series in a while... it's one of those shows you don't watch for workrate or such... to me it was always about seeing people team up that you never saw together and who steals the show- they should keep pushing the SS format again in the years to come.

 

[Playaz Eyez]

1) They brought Brock in as a monster after a long lay-off, and immediately have him lose to Cena

2) Brock looked like a total p*ssy in that cage match with HHH, and HHH attempted to have some legendary blow-off match for himself at WM and was met with a Tito Ortiz revealed as an Aces and Eights member response from the crowd.

I do admire your faith in the WWE's decisions though. You and @Here Comes the Pain should join forces and hit this up: Careers Overview

 

[Sypress]

imagine the people who actually wanted to see this main event and paid to watch it on PPV

 

[jadillac]

Whatever good came from the breaking the streak was wasted by the time they got to WM the next year and didn't pull the trigger on Roman beating him. And his monster run and must see attraction has nothing to do with the streak, and everything to do with him coming back to WWE as a REAL fighter who might beat the shyt out of people for real, and getting main stream attention because he was a draw for a real sport. Plus that you only see him 2-3 times a year and it's always a special event. Breaking the streak meant less than the utter destruction of John Cena, which that too was wasted the very next month when Cena not only didn't take time off, but had a rematch where he had Brock about to tap before Seth caused a DQ for no reason at all.

The streak didn't start meaning shyt until 10 matches in. We really pretending that a streak that includes wins over luminaries like 46 year old Jimmy Snuka, King Kong Bundy, Giant Gonzalez, Sid, near death Big Boss Man, A-TRAIN, etc means much?

The streak ended, Taker continued on as if nothing happened, got his win back, and is still booked exactly the same as he was before he lost it. The streak meant nothing in the end. And that was well before Goldberg came back.

1. not putting the belt on Roman was moreso because the crowd turned on him(WWE's fault tho). Had they done it properly, Brock handing him the belt would've set up Roman nicely going forward
2. Yes, much of his attraction was b/c of the UFC background, BUT....his matches became even BIGGER going into the streak and after he ended it. This is really not debatable. Those earlier matches against Cena, Punk, HHH were not on the same level of anticipation as the ones post-streak

His character went to another level.

 

[stro]

The only difference between Brock pre and post streak is that his matches became less competitive. Not a thing changed about his character.