100 Black Men of Charlotte launch controversial billboard campaign about the Homicide rate

[Insensitive]

Anytime you say black on black crime is among the biggest issue we face on here you get called a cac or c00n so

That's because it's an issue but not THE BIGGEST issue.

Too many idiots on here don't realize where these old "Dey juss violent and lazy" tropes spawn from.

It's easy to ignore redlining, over policing, unfair drug policies, lack of funding etc.
When someone just goes "yeah well there are SOME killers in our midst so fukk black
people off GP until THAT issue ALONE is fixed".


Posts like this aren't being honest with what's being said on here whatsoever.
THAT'S Why it gets handwaved.

I agree with the sentiment and effort....but let's be honest this is more preaching to the choir/virtue signalling than anything. So WS is not our only problem...what else is new?

There is nothing wrong with mentioning or critiquing the high homicide rate and its effect on us. But I have seen this stuff since the 1980s and have yet to see how it has improved any of the factors leading up to this. Typically, this "let's have a difficult conversation" line is a prelude to castigating certain Blacks to get it together and serving up moral platitudes that never reach the intended audience. It would be great if moral shaming was effective but the community and family structure in many of these areas have weakened the social pressure of those kind of methods.

The people who care about "losing the race" aren't pulling the triggers so if you really want to change things you need to affect that group. Sure I believe a few people may see this and reconsider their life but are we really putting our faith in PSAs?

If they want to affect the homicide rate, mentoring these kids in youth gangs, doing programs to help ex-cons find work, supporting at-risk children missing school due to COVID, and a dozen other things are probably more effective. Don't get me wrong 100 Black Men does great things and many community service actions like this nationally but I see that focus as essential.

I'm sure these idiots would've LOVED to be condescended to by fukking Nancy reagan
in the 80's.

 

[broller]

nothing wrong with it, but I agree it is preaching to the choir.

 

[King Poetic]

What’s the problem

Melle Mel blasted Black Lives Matter about not talking up when we have our own issues

 

[Insensitive]

See, this is the problem with this discussion on the coli. Everything HAS to be "either or" with you guys.

Why can't we be against criminal-on-black crime AND want police accountability at the same time?

*Ahem*

They say that because of: White supremacist talking points breh.

Literary one of them is "Hurr durr, you only care about black death when it's police".
Generally these people thinking they're being "pro-black" by parroting racists who don't
give a fukk HOW the person in question died AT ALL, it's only for gas lighting, that's it.


As someone whose been directly affected by murders within my own family within the past few years.
I scoff at the fukking idea that some goof ball in lily white suburbia who spends too much time
on gaming message boards is going to tell me how *I* personally feel about Black on Black Crime.

 

[get these nets]

That's because it's an issue but not THE BIGGEST issue.

Too many idiots on here don't realize where these old "Dey juss violent and lazy" tropes spawn from.

It's easy to ignore redlining, over policing, unfair drug policies, lack of funding etc.
When someone just goes "yeah well there are SOME killers in our midst so fukk black
people off GP until THAT issue ALONE is fixed".


Posts like this aren't being honest with what's being said on here whatsoever.
THAT'S Why it gets handwaved.

What's the leading cause of death for Black men in your age range?

From the CDC-Leading Causes of Death-Non-Hispanic Black Males 2017

If you've reached the age where homicide is no longer the leading cause of death, think of the odds facing the younger men in your family.

 

[Insensitive]

What's the leading cause of death for Black men in your age range?

From the CDC-Leading Causes of Death-Non-Hispanic Black Males 2017

If you've reached the age where homicide is no longer the leading cause of death, think of the odds facing the younger men in your family.

This doesn't invalidate what I'm already saying about inequity in society and how it contributes to these issues.

 

[DrBanneker]

What's the leading cause of death for Black men in your age range?

From the CDC-Leading Causes of Death-Non-Hispanic Black Males 2017

If you've reached the age where homicide is no longer the leading cause of death, think of the odds facing the younger men in your family.

I agree it is unhelpful at best and cowardice at worst to not face up to the homicide issues in our community. However @Insensitive is trying to articulate a point that is important.

One of the problems with making Black homicide the only issue to care about is not just it crowds out other substantive things, it can actually back you into some moral quandaries.

A lot of the conservative, pro-police types argue that even if the police are gunning down or wrongfully jailing innocent Black people, if it reduces the homicide rate, isn't it helping Black people? A lot of people defend practices like racial profiling, stop and frisk, and even police militarization by essentially saying even if the hood was turned into an occupied territory, the lowering of the homicide rate saves the lives of Black men and thus is the true compassion and help for the Black community.

After all, if the homicide numbers for young Black men drop by 1,000 at the cost of killing 100 innocent Black people, isn't that a net plus? I am not claiming you are saying this but the tunnel vision I see in a lot these arguments opens people up to this. Black people know better (sometimes) than to fall for thus but don't think this argument doesn't circulate---even amongst so called Liberals.

Once we make ending homicide the end all be all, hey shoot the kids up with depressant drugs, throw them in jail with excessive sentences, basically treat them as second class citizens but if the homicide rate goes down, is that not a win? Who cares about unintended consequences or moral probity, think about the victims.

 

[DrBanneker]

This doesn't invalidate what I'm already saying about inequity in society and how it contributes to these issues.

I just responded in favor of your previous post, but my problem is this: just saying "inequity" and structural issues isn't doing much more than sticking your head in the sand if you don't have solutions to tackle these.

I've watched this debate my whole adult life and too often it ends up a battle between people who don't want to discuss the issue, those who want to dwell on high level structural issues, and people who want to talk loudly about it and have no other solution besides "these little nikkas need to get it together; we need to have a difficult discussion as a community".

The gaslighting used to neutralize complaints about police has just made the discussion more toxic.

People just need to buckle down and choose one violent block in one violent city, and do a full court press of testing out stuff to see what improves the situation. Then find out how to scale it. Most simply, we know that the ages 9-12 is basically the transition into puberty and crime so if you could throttle it in that age group, crime will drop hard. I don't have the answer but rarely have I see direct, constructive ideation around this topic

 

[Insensitive]

I just responded in favor of your previous post, but my problem is this: just saying "inequity" and structural issues isn't doing much more than sticking your head in the sand if you don't have solutions to tackle these.

I've watched this debate my whole adult life and too often it ends up a battle between people who don't want to discuss the issue, those who want to dwell on high level structural issues, and people who want to talk loudly about it and have no other solution besides "these little nikkas need to get it together; we need to have a difficult discussion as a community".

The gaslighting used to neutralize complaints about police has just made the discussion more toxic.

People just need to buckle down and choose one violent block in one violent city, and do a full court press of testing out stuff to see what improves the situation. Then find out how to scale it. Most simply, we know that the ages 9-12 is basically the transition into puberty and crime so if you could throttle it in that age group, crime will drop hard. I don't have the answer but rarely have I see direct, constructive ideation around this topic

Oh yeah, I feel you on that.

And the only reason I didn't get to deep into what kinds of inequity and inequality Black Americans have and still do face
is because to be honest, it's exhausting to post up all of these links, papers, videos etc. just for someone to toss it to the side
and say "Black people need to do better", as if Society in and of itself is already "level" and Black people just can't "Get out of their own
way" or something.


And I say what I say, not to dismiss the issues of violence (that's an issue period), I say what I say to present a holistic view of what's
going on and I agree, the time for talking and all that is way over. We need to actually be on the street which is my goal once I'm in a position
to do so.

 

[get these nets]

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People just need to buckle down and choose one violent block in one violent city, and do a full court press of testing out stuff to see what improves the situation. Then find out how to scale it. Most simply, we know that the ages 9-12 is basically the transition into puberty and crime so if you could throttle it in that age group, crime will drop hard. I don't have the answer but rarely have I see direct, constructive ideation around this topic

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/community-policing-experiment-in-brownsville-bk.825727/

There was a pilot program done in one of the roughest districts in NYC. I asked members from Brooklyn, who are familiar with that section to weigh in on it.

 

[Noriega]

That's because it's an issue but not THE BIGGEST issue.

Too many idiots on here don't realize where these old "Dey juss violent and lazy" tropes spawn from.

It's easy to ignore redlining, over policing, unfair drug policies, lack of funding etc.
When someone just goes "yeah well there are SOME killers in our midst so fukk black
people off GP until THAT issue ALONE is fixed".


Posts like this aren't being honest with what's being said on here whatsoever.
THAT'S Why it gets handwaved.





I'm sure these idiots would've LOVED to be condescended to by fukking Nancy reagan
in the 80's.

I don’t understand how all the things you named makes you want to pick up a gun and murder someone. My pops grew up in CHA projects with 8 siblings, none of them ever went to jail. Don’t get me wrong they not perfect

 

[Insensitive]

I don’t understand how all the things you named makes you want to pick up a gun and murder someone. My pops grew up in CHA projects with 8 siblings, none of them ever went to jail. Don’t get me wrong they not perfect

Aye.
My folks are similar. I'm a second generation college student.
But I also acknowledge that several factors can contribute to the moment
someone decides to pick up a gun.

We'd do well to acknowledge Chicago's issues also STEM from blatant and obvious segregation.
A lot of the problems there and in other cities are magnified because of the blatant discrimination.

We're seeing it continue to play out but it started SOMEWHERE.
This isn't stated to excuse the violence, it's to frame it in a specific context.

It's like talking about the wars in parts of Africa but ignoring major 1st world countries pulling out their funding
or several nations literally JUST being created in the past few hundred years etc. They help to form an
understanding WHY things are happening and how we can effectively COMBAT that.

 

[banner34]

Hopefully it makes a difference, this is one of many tools, hope it has some positive impact

It won’t make a difference though

 

[LiveFromLondon]

So pointing out black on black crime= parroting white supremacist talking points. This type of thinking infantilizes "yall" because it implies only white people have the intellect to think like this and niccas don't. Keep bury your head in the sand all you want.

 

[DrBanneker]

So pointing out black on black crime= parroting white supremacist talking points. This type of thinking infantilizes "yall" because it implies only white people have the intellect to think like this and niccas don't. Keep bury your head in the sand all you want.

I don't think any serious poster has a problem talking about black on black crime. Just some people don't talk on it in an honest fashion---instead using it to shut down discussion on other issues and act like all Black people--everywhere--are somehow responsible for not addressing this issue. Like I have been to Chicago only once in my whole life but people talk about I need to find solutions for violence in Chicago or it is my personal failing. If people use Black homicide statistics to demonize the community as a whole, shut down debate on police violence or societal inequity, or demand extremist policies against Black poor people and lawbreakers--well, those kinda are WS talking points.

No other group is asked to shut down discussion on all other topics in favor of a single issue. In the US, Asian male suicide rates per 100,000 are nearly equal to Black homicide rates but no one is telling them to stop complaining about anti-Asian attacks until they address the suicide issues in their community. No one tells White males that they shouldn't worry about Federal government overreach and tactics since very few White males die at the hands of the Feds.

I know the dynamic is the same in the UK. You know there is a difference between Black Brits talking about solving the crisis of knife violence versus a Conservative MP bringing up Black crime to shut down complaints on inequity, police brutality, etc.