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Broke Wave said:
I didn't edit shyt :dead:

This cac is crazy
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Still haven't defined cult-like.

Still ignoring all the evidence that Shi'ia islam was more than a "cult" prior to Ismail I.

Still ignoring the Shi'a persecution that had taken place in the Levant and elsewhere prior to the Safavid dynasty.

You're now resorted to saying that Muslim sectarian violence was "not comparable" to Christian sectarian violence. I'd say the answer to that is more common threats. Whenever Christian nations Europe faced a common threat, they tended to forget their differences. The same as the Muslims.

Sunni and Shi'a forgot their differences during Mongol occupation -- common threat.

Arguably, the Sunni and Shi'a forgot their differences after the fall of the Ottoman empire through the fall or Arab nationalism because of European secularism -- common threat.

And we're not even talking about the tribalism and fierce bloodline loyalties that exist in Islam. That's a totally separate source of what I would call sectarian violence.
 
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MyGawdThePower said:
Still haven't defined cult-like.

Still ignoring all the evidence that Shi'ia islam was more than a "cult" prior to Ismail I.

Still ignoring the Shi'a persecution that had taken place in the Levant and elsewhere prior to the Safavid dynasty.

You're now resorted to saying that Muslim sectarian violence was "not comparable" to Christian sectarian violence. I'd say the answer to that is more common threats. Whenever Christian nations Europe faced a common threat, they tended to forget their differences. The same as the Muslims.

Sunni and Shi'a forgot their differences during Mongol occupation -- common threat.

Arguably, the Sunni and Shi'a forgot their differences after the fall of the Ottoman empire through the fall or Arab nationalism because of European secularism -- common threat.

And we're not even talking about the tribalism and fierce bloodline loyalties that exist in Islam. That's a totally separate source of what I would call sectarian violence.
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I literally addressed everything you said. I am not going to continue this conversation unless you read and address what I've said.

1. Shia Islam gained prominance in teh 16th century this is indisputable. Despite different leaders holding that faith it was never really popular among the Arab population until later on.

2. Muslim and Christian secterian violence historically is not even comparable.

3. When you talk about "sunni and shia" who forgot their differences, please tell me, which populations you're talking about? Which Shia? What population group? This is literally a narrative that YOU have created on this website.

4. There are no bloodline loyalties or tribalisms in the faith known as Islam, you're talking about Arab history, which is linked to Islam but not synonymous.
 
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Broke Wave said:
I literally addressed everything you said. I am not going to continue this conversation unless you read and address what I've said. Shia Islam gained prominance in teh 16th century this is indisputable. Despite different leaders holding that faith it was never really popular among the Arab population until later on.
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Even if it wasn't as relatively popular, it was popular enough for *drum roll* sectarian violence!

Broke Wave said:
2. Muslim and Christian secterian violence historically is not even comparable.
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They most certainly are. Even if the body count is different, doesn't mean they aren't comparable.

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3. When you talk about "sunni and shia" who forgot their differences, please tell me, which populations you're talking about? Which Shia? What population group? This is literally a narrative that YOU have created on this website.
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Southern Iraq, Samarra, in and around Baghdad, eastern Arabia, etc.

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4. There are no bloodline loyalties or tribalisms in the faith known as Islam, you're talking about Arab history, which is linked to Islam but not synonymous.
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There are ideally no bloodline loyalties in the faith known as Christianity either But we're not really going to pretend like dynastic and family feuds don't have explicitly religious implications, and that the violence produced is not sectarian violence, are we?
 
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